short time, shows they can get the evidence in the evidence in the right place and work very well and closely with the crown prosecution service, how we have not heard mentioned, but had a key role in relation to this and all in all, good team effort. ok. we will say thank you very much at that point let you go. thank you very much at that point let you go let you go. peter williams, the former merseyside let you go. peter williams, the former merseyside police - let you go. peter williams, the - former merseyside police inspector and also a lecturer atjohn moores university. thank you very much for your expertise on this. danny shaw, your expertise on this. danny shaw, you heard his name being mentioned there are a number of times. he is also with me. before we move on, what are the chances of this sentence could be appealed by both men? ~ , , , sentence could be appealed by both men? , ., men? well, it is possible that warinu men? well, it is possible that waring and men? well,
i m afraid, it is quite distressing. she said i cannot get over the fact that cashman continued to shoot after hearing screams. i cannot even think about rebuilding our lives without liv. she went on to say that her grandmother passed away last night, and adding that she was relieved that she had lived long enough to see that karen found guilty. just to bring you up to date on what is happening, our correspondentjudith moritz is inside the court, updating details to the bbc newsroom and also the live page on the bbc news website and on the app as well, and our correspondent is outside the court, and that is how we are keeping a cross every detail whilst we wait for the cameras to be switched on, we can focus just on the judge, and we can focus just on the judge, and we will get that sentencing as and when. we can speak to peter williams, a retired merseyside police inspector and now senior