ones who are not doing their job. it has to change the way we do business. it s not set up efficiently to have so many government workers who do a great job or a poor job. can t get rid of you. it s not a money issue. 2008, their outlays were about $45 billion. in 2013, the outlay became 154 billion. you re saying it s not a money issue. it s an accountability issue. you re absolutely right. it s not a money issue. they have plenty of money to do their job. it s a mentality issue. there s no sense of urgency at the va. they re just not performing. so it s not a money issue. it s a cultural issue. i think that having this great large government, this government gone wild type men l mentality in the va is hurting our veterans. coming up, as an american