own study and they decided and they came to the conclusion that if you have natural antibodies like you do, that you wouldn t need any vaccine. i didn t hear anybody saying wow, dr. paul was right. if you look at the cleveland study, 52,000 employees, those who were not vaccinated, but had had covid previously did just as well as those who are vaccinated. so yes, the vaccine works. but so does a natural infection. and here s the thing about the crazy left-wing trying to deny natural immunity. vaccines are based on natural immunity. we learned how to do vaccines once we learned that the body actually had an immune response that prevented infection in the future. and yes, we have memory cells both t and d cells. they have looked in bone marrow. it s long lasting cure for some diseases like the spanish flu from 1918, there were people that were alive until recently that they still measure immune responses in their blood 90 years later.
we want it to not have a chance to reproduce. i want to ask you about a new study out. it finds the pfizer and the moderna vaccines have a persistent immune response that may protect against covid for years. the majority of vaccinated people are protected over the long term, and they may not need booster shots. based on what you know, what do we make of it? i think what we re finding that we re seeing memory cells. this is our natural immunity, by the way. and our natural immunity creates a fake spike protein, so that is something that we should be able to depend on. we thought that the community could last for years, and let me put a strong caveat to that.
years before we need a booster? i do. i mean, if you look at the studies looking at people who are naturally infected or people who have been vaccinated and look at frequency of so-called memory cells, memory b cells which make antibodies or memory t cells, it looks like the frequencies are pretty high. there s a study out of atlanta to suggest that you would imagine immunity would last for a few years. i d really be surprised if we needed a yearly vaccine. as long as we re trying to prevent severe critical disease. if we re trying to prevent mild disease, then you would need a more frequent booster but i don t think that s the goal here. let s talk about this mrna technology, which is the center of the pfizer vaccine, the moderna vaccine. there s good news that potentially they could help in advancing process on an hiv vaccine, also for respiratory illnesses as well, backing into
so some of the other ones that i mentioned, as well as other viruses like hiv, it s already documented that they had animal origins. but sars took about ten years to figure out where it came from. so i don t think we re going to have the answers any time soon. but we really need to know as many details as possible. okay. lots of talk about booster shots. what s next? there s a trial that is set to launch that will tell us if people can mix and match their shots. when do you think the american people will get a timeline on booster shots and the certainly of which one they can use? i think that we should have a better idea by the end of this year. you know, we ve had some recent studies that have come out that show some encouraging information that there are these memory cells called memory b cells that hang out in our bone marrow and they found them up to a year or more in people who had
natural immunity from infection and fauci was wrong. the new york times said that both reports looked at people exposed to covid a year early. cells may churn out antibodies when needed. and the other study found that memory cells strengthen for 12 months after the initial infection. here is a professor of the yale of public school and a cardiologist. those two studies make the case that people who have had covid should get vaccinated. are they ignoring their own findings? i don t understand why they would make that case. we have information from huge studies with 4.6 people in israel who have had covid in the