majority quickly would emgrit to the new system and it may not have much difference. neil: i think you know more than i so i appreciate you deferring to me in what we are hearing but the talk is you and governor perry have chatted a great deal. is that just talk? or do you do that with all the candidates? what? guest: well, i know them. and like them. and i talk to them when they want to talk to me. we have not had great in-depth department. neil: does that me perry has sought you out? guest: he talked about it in brief but i wrote about it in a book i published recently and i called for essentially a flat tax or close to it as we could get so, maybe, maybe he knows what i think from that context. neil: do you thing as frank luntz mentioned, that rick perry might be hurting himself and whoever the nominee could be