being roger stone. he s trying to play the media. you know, through a various number of interviews he did one with chris cuomo as well where he was adamant he will protect donald trump at all costs. and i think that s because he s playing to an audience of one and that one is donald trump they have a history that goes back decades and i m sure there are things that roger stone knows that will come out if he s brought before the grand jury and asked these questions that he just doesn t want to have out and he knows donald trump will need to protect that however, i think that it s too late for roger stone to get a pardon if that s what he s playing to. was this sort of a cry to a pardon at all, do you think, katie? well, who would turn down the pardon if it was given but here s the problem from a legal perspective, kendis, even if you re given a pardon, you can still be hailed before a grand jury and you re obligated to tell the truth, but malcolm has a great point. is roger stone so
and we ve kind of seen that in a sense, katie, since his indictment, i believe he s been tucker carlson, he was greeted the reporters outside of his home there in florida. he s been on cnn he s been on abc he had a t-shirt made out already. we ve seen him quite a bit are these the actions of an innocent or guilty person? it s the actions of the worst kind of criminal defense client, as his attorney, i would be groaning every time he opens his mouth, but you know who does is that all the time, donald trump. he does that all the time. he doesn t heed his counsel s advice but you know, kendis and malcolm the bottom line, there were search warrants executed ate his home in florida and in nok new york evidences and facts are not going to lie roger stone can say what he wants to say but we know that speaking indictment that came from robert mueller told the truth. e-mails and texts that roger stone lied about that clearly show his participation in the dissemination in the wikileaks
against the president. i intend to fight. all right so that was roger stone on friday shortly after his arrest on charges of obstruction giving false statements and witness tampering as part of the robert mueller/russia investigation but earlier today he said this any chance you ll cooperate with special counsel robert mueller if he asks you know, that s a question i would have to i d have to determine after my attorneys have some discussion if there s wrong doing by other people in the campaign, that i know about which i know of none, if there is, i would certainly testify honestly and also testify honestly about any other matter including any communications with the president. seems like a bit of a change right there. joining me katie fang and malcolm nance. malcolm, let s start with you. what happened between the last 48 hours to roger stone? well, i think roger stone is
trump and his team himself and so, this is a critical, critical indictment. they re saying they ve identified the link. and you know, you re absolutely right. this indictment is based not just on the hearsay or the testimony of others. robert mueller brings documentation to the table and roger stone has been trying to play off in the last 24 hours that the e-mails that he sent were actually innocent, like where he threatened someone s dog and that he didn t use a emoticons to actually clarify what was going on. believe me, there s information out there that the special counsel has that we don t know about probably from the other members of the trump team including steve bannon, michael flynn and possibly others who already probably dammed donald trump, i m sorry, roger stone. katie, just within the last 48 hours so many of us have been parsing that one line in the 24-page indictment for roger stone, of course, you ve seen
he doesn t say anything encouraging. indictments keep getting churned out by the mueller team and it s inching closer and closer, especially with meek ankle cohen, having been under investigation by the southern district of new york and the fact that he s already indicated he s going to invoke his fifth amendment self-indiscrimination right or privilege in another lawsuit. remember, michael cohen is under investigation in the mueller investigation as well. in terms of his relationship with the trump organization. so all things are honing in on donald trump. so of course he s going to scream bloody murder about the fact that this is some huge witch hunt that s being conducted by his own department of justice. it doesn t again, it strains believability for him to take that position. i want to talk about that lucky to have with me katie fang and danny savalas, savannah sellers in washington, d.c. tonight at the white house correspond ants association dinner caught up with michael aven