house counsel fame, remains at the top of the democrats witness list. mcgahn sat with mueller, you ll remember, 30-plus hours. his name is mentioned 500-plus times in the report. most notably in this detail, volume 2, june of 2017. the president called mcgahn, directed him to have the special counsel removed. so there s that. democrats say that s proof of attempt obstruction of justice. white house instructed mccann mcgahn, rather. i sound like that member of congress today who could not get his name right. mcgahn to defy a judiciary committee subpoena, an issue the courts will ultimately decide, perhaps months from now. with us for our conversation tonight, two returning veterans. phillip rucker, pulitzer prize-winning white house bureau chief for the washington post, and john heilemann, veteran journalist, msnbc national affairs analyst, co-author of game change, co-host of the circus on showtime. phil, you ll excuse me.
saying about the speaker tonight she may be softening toward impeachment. investigations sparked by the mueller report are far from over. that much we know. don mcgahn, he of former white house counsel fame, remains at the top of the democrats witness list. mcgahn sat with mueller, you ll remember, 30-plus hours. his name is mentioned 500-plus times in the report. most notably in this detail, volume 2, juns of 2017. the president called mcgahn, directed him to have the special counsel removed. so there s that. democrats say that s proof of attempt obstruction of justice. white house instructed mccann mcgahn, rather. i sound like that member of congress today who could not get his name right. mcgahn to defy a judiciary committee subpoena, an issue the courts will ultimately decide, perhaps months from now. with us for our conversation tonight, two returning veterans. phillip rucker, pulitzer prize-winning white house bureau
over. that much we know. don mcgahn, he of former white house counsel fame, remains at the top of the democrats witness list. mcgahn sat with mueller, you ll remember, 30-plus hours. his name is mentioned 500-plus times in the report. most notably in this detail, volume 2, juns of 2017. the president called mcgahn, directed him to have the special counsel removed. so there s that. democrats say that s proof of attempt obstruction of justice. white house instructed mccann mcgahn, rather. i sound like that member of congress today who could not get his name right. mcgahn to defy a judiciary committee subpoena, an issue the courts will ultimately decide, perhaps months from now. with us for our conversation tonight, two returning veterans. phillip rucker, pulitzer prize-winning white house bureau chief for the washington post, and john heilemann, veteran journalist, msnbc national affairs analyst, co-author of game change, co-host of the circus on showtime.
trump s other attorneys played a role in shaping cohen s 2017 testimony. house judiciary chair jerrold nadler is threatening to hold former white house counsel don mcgahn in contempt if he doesn t testify before congress today. he has been directed by president trump to defy the congressional subpoena. nbc news white house correspondent kristen welker has more. reporter: president trump is directing his former white house counsel don mcgahn to defy a congressional subpoena to testify. the white house cites justice department opinions going back four decades that say senior officials like him have absolute immunity from testifying. the president speaking out. i think it s a very important precedent and the attorneys say that they are not doing that for me, they are doing that for the office of the president. reporter: mcgahn sat for more than 30 hours of interviews with special counsel robert mueller. democrats say he s a key witness on obstruction and accusing the
is true, it will be sad news for the country. that is mitch mcconnell. but listen to chuck grassley, again a republican, chairman of the judiciary committee, he said i hope it is not true. you can t let this happen. very strong words there. is that just about judicial appointments? i think it is. this has been very underreported, but folks do on not understand that a hostile takeover of the courts by folks who are not even approved by the american bar association is happening. there are judges on the list right now that are not approved by the american bar association. and donald trump s lasting legacy among other things will be that he was able to reshape the courts for a generation. and that is something that grassley and mcconnell are very tied to and i think that they don t want to see their ally in this effort go. there is still a lot of judges sitting on the bench reported by jimmy carter and ronald reagan. and this gets to another legal issue, and the president was asked abo