over. mcconnell is saying the same thing. that s the politics the democrats have to deal with. she wants something, she s too disciplined and too smart, she wants something. we just don t know what it is. and she s willing to run the clock out a little bit. but on the one hand, the democrats are waiting and on the other hand this is what she said in an interview with the associated press. the president will be impeached forever, no matter what the senate does, he s impeached forever because he violated our constitution. if i did nothing else, he saw the power of the gavel there. we talked about the pelosi/mcconnell standoff at the movement. this is bigger than that t it s a pelosi/trump standoff. and she really sort of came into her own power during that week and has shown herself to be a very effective player against him. at the same time, he s doing a good job of framing this standoff to his benefit. but i do really think that we re going to have to wait to see over the next couple
now our vice president, and that s what i think, you know, the president has violated. that s why i think he s so scared because i think down deep, after all the obfuscation and everything else, he knows he committed an impeachable offense. i mean this is core impeachment, don. this is exactly what the founders put impeachment in the constitution for. neal, how do you see this pelosi/mcconnell standoff playing out because some people are saying, oh, she has leverage. others are saying she has no leverage. how do you see this playing out? well, i mean there s no doubt that the president wants to try and have this fake trial in the senate so he can, you know, be cleared, you know, soviet style. you say it s a fake trial because you don t believe it s fair, do you? well, i mean, look, a trial in which there will be no witnesses? i ve done lots of trials. that s my job. i ve never seen a trial with no witnesses, a trial like the jurors like mitch mcconnell say their mind is already
members of congress. so you can t impeach pelosi. our constitution doesn t allow it. quid pro quos are often good in government. you want to have deals. the problem is if you have a quid pro quo for personal ends and that s why, you know, the beginning of my book starts with a quote from a congressman in 2008 who says, what is a high crime and misdemeanor? well, it s when the president puts his personal interests above those of the american people. that congressman was mike pence, now our vice president, and that s what i think, you know, the president has violated. that s why i think he s so scared because i think down deep, after all the obfuscation and everything else, he knows he committed an impeachable offense. i mean this is core impeachment, don. this is exactly what the founders put impeachment in the constitution for. neal, how do you see this pelosi/mcconnell standoff playing out because some people are saying, oh, she has leverage. others are saying she has no leverage. h