0 john: doing the same thing and team 56 repeated over again, we could be here and march doing the same thing. we will see if there is anyway kevin mccarthy could convince the naysayers to come over to his side put i think there is two or three that will never switch. sandra: jim jordan made his best effort pitch the house for a moment ago. thank you for joining us, everyone in our coverage will continue. martha: thank you. continuing coverage here. i m martha maccallum live in our nation s capitol covering this drama that we did expect and now unfolding in a fascinating way on the house floor. the new republican majority there is in a historic battle as a handful try to block kevin mccarthy from the speaker s gavel which he has wanted a long time and worked very hard to get in the mid-terms. bret baier is standing by on set with me here. first, we want to go to chad pergram over on the hill. hi, chad. hi, martha. what we know right now, they re well in to this second ballot fo
the folks there. and hutchinson testified that, these are very closely held, s closely held, in fact, the whe meadows tried to get copies of them to leader mccarthy, and mccarthy didn t actually wan them we don t actually know the substance of these documents but the timeframe kind of line up with the russia investigation and when trump might have been trying t master classified documents. so, again this is very right into some of the same issues with the rest of the committee investigation. they were quite able t penetrate every barrier that was thrown, up and this is kin of a black box for them. so to that, point trump promised pardons to capito rioters if use reelected i wonder if you make of when you make of the revelation tha trump asked pat cipollone fo blanket pardons for people involved in the capitol attack that was a pretty startling revelation as well, johnny mackenzie, who had been a body
these republican members of th house intelligence committee who are bringing these documents in the white house and are trying to pass them on the folks there. and hutchinson testified that, these are very closely held, s closely held, in fact, the whe meadows tried to get copies of them to leader mccarthy, and mccarthy didn t actually wan them we don t actually know the substance of these documents but the timeframe kind of line up with the russia investigation and when trump might have been trying t master classified documents. so, again this is very right into some of the same issues with the rest of the committee investigation. they were quite able t penetrate every barrier that
seized congressman scott perry s phone as part of the larger investigation of january 6th it remains to be seen exactly how that will shake out. we re going to talk about that in a minute with barbara clay one of the things came about, the bizarre meeting at the white house. for those who didn t pore over those documents, can you reexplain what happened? there s a bizarre scene that hutchinson describes where it appears there were these republican members of the house intelligence committee were bringing these documents into the white house and then trying to pass them on to folks there and hutchinson testified that, you know, these were very closely held so closely held, in fact, that meadows tried to get copies of them to leader mccarthy. and mccarthy didn t actually want them. we don t actually know the substance of this but the time frame kind of lines up with the russia investigation and when trump, you know, might have been tried
another faction opposing him, representative matt gates. go ahead? certainly. and that speaks to the divisions among the gop at this time, still that grassroots conservative wing which those congress folks represent. matt gates of florida was outspoken very quickly saying, among other things, mccarthy didn t do enough to hold government officials accountable for opposing president, former president donald trump. if these factions are going to continue to dig in their heels, so to speak, who has the greatest leverage? i think that will come down to the votes. we have to see who is going to do that t. could go to multiple rounds. we re not talking a big margin of error. it will come down to the kind of thin margins here, but i still think we think speaker mccarthy is in the driver s seat on this one. if he does, in some way he s