program happened. which was signed by a republican president and had strong support from republicans in congress. pat buchanan supported that particular amnesty. why would legislation signed by a democratic president really earn the undying loyalty of these voters to the republican party? aaron? look, the hispanic population is not modelled on that. you can t say we re going to pass a bill and they re all going to come along. we re very diverse. i come from a rural community, and rural people in my state are conservative. you have second, third, fourth, fifth, 12th generation hispanics living in this country, and they re all very, very different. . most of the young hispanics live in san antonio who are third and fourth generation only speak english, they don t speak spanish. if you find hispanics third and
immigration, obviously. s that the point. let me ask you. when you were a democrat and became a republican, what year did you do that? 2010. you did that in 2010 after you re saying this is a threshold issue after the sensen-brenner that would have criticized undocumented workers in this country, after the huge revolt against mccain-kennedy. after john mccain had to run away from the bill that had his own name on it because of what the demands made by the republican base. after that, you decided to become a republican. i want to find out right after this break why. with the spark md from capital one, thor gets great rewards for his small business! your boa! [ garth ] thor s small business earns double miles on every purchase, every day! ahh, the new fabrics. put it on my spark card. ow. [ garth ] why settle for less? the spiked heels are working. wait! [ garth ] great businesses deserve great rewards. [ male announcer ] the spark business card from capital one. choose unlimi
republicans, the business republicans like i said earlier, there are two republican parties. one is more business centric, and the other is movement conservatives, grass root tea party people. the business conservatives will be on board with the immigration bill, but you will see push-back from movement conservatives. i think it s more than just demographics and elections. i really do think there is a movement now, whereas in there wasn t before. in 2010 when we lost the d.r.e.a.m. act, when we lost we fell five votes short of passing that. we lost that. we lost the legislation. five votes short of overcoming the filibuster, we should note. with you we won. we won the collins. we won the faxing. we have never won that before. in terms of the metrics of how many calls were coming in. you won that. there s a movement on social media. dreamers are able to change, to stop deportation using social media. we re able to mobilize a
classic heads i win, tails you lose policy for republicans. immigration has been framed as a referendum as to whether you accept the role of latinos in american society, and republicans are viewed as having placed themselves on the wrong side of the question. i don t think that would change if you were to vote against legislation. we do have some experience with this type of legislation in the past when what was openly described as an amnesty passed in 1986 and the post-amnesty cohort was more democratic in its voting preferences than the hispanic americans prior to that. it didn t really benefit the republicans. this is just important. can we show this line graphic again? i think you re making an effort from a descriptive level, an important political case. in 1984 mondale beat reagan among latinos 24%. in 1988, after the amnesty, dukakis beats george h.w. bush by 39%. so the swing towards democrats was plus 15% in between the two elections in which the amnesty
last election and the change in demographics in the country. he s having to bridge both worlds, and it s a very difficult spot for you? amongst movement, conservatives, my sense is that there will be growing skepticism. but i think he s going in the right direction. we haven t seen the rubio backlash yet. it s been a week, right? i think it s interesting, eric erickson of a red state, hes headline was i don t like marco rubio s plan. there, i said it. you d be surprised how long i ve taken to say this. my friends have all argued over the details. he s so reluctant, at this point, this kind of aura around rubio is strong enough, but do you think that s going to last? it depends. marco rubio, when you look at the gang of eight, is the only new face there. even among the republicans, they were generally supporters of the mccain-kennedy legislation. so rubio has kind of put himself in a position where he legitimates a comprehensive