on those very key and delicate issues. eric: so what does that mean with no real progress? has the president dug a hole for himself? will he potentially delay this through next month when the democrats take congress? what could happen? there have been so many of these budget showdowns in recent years whether it was republicans or democrats in congress, president trump, president obama before him. usually they find some way to work it out in the closing hours, even minutes. but this time they are at a real hard impasse. president trump made that southern border wall a key campaign plank. he doesn t want to back off. democrats are saying, no way. probably they will find some way to push this at least into the new year, into january, maybe til next year. but that probably won t happen until the last possible hours, even minutes. eric: well, they could approve some temporary spending extensions, that sort of thing? that s right. they could just hold federal