i think what it shows is, jack smith does not bluff. there are some downsides to him to bringing it now. i think they came to him and said look, we ve got to with all of these false statements, we ve got you making these other obstructive acts, so you better cooperate, and if you say no, we re bringing charges, and we re bringing them quickly. and he said no, and they are bringing them quickly. he is someone who is hard to understand why he wouldn t be cooperating against both nauta and trump. he has so much to lose here. joyce, what are your thoughts? clearly they want him to slip. do you think he s a likely candidate for that? what should we be watching for? i think harry is dead on the money here. your question points that out. this is a defendant who has almost no choice but to flip. he is looking at charges that have 20-year maximums, although that s not the world real world sentencing. he s looking at spending a big
he is someone who is hard to understand why he wouldn t be cooperating against both nauta and trump. he has so much to lose here. joyce, what are your thoughts? clearly they want him to slip. do you think he s a likely candidate for that? what should we be watching for? i think harry is dead on the money here. your question points that out. this is a defendant who has almost no choice but to flip. he is looking at charges that have 20-year maximums, although that s not the world real world sentencing. he s looking at spending a big chunk of time in prison if he goes forward. it s the final charge against him. this charge where he goes in and talks to agents. they actually visit him in his home. they tell him that he is free to end the interview at any point. and then he just lies to them
donate back to them. doug burgum was giving out gift cards for voters to vote for him. pence has a little more time to do it, and he better start tonight. nbc news national politics reporter jonathan allen, our thank you gift card en route to you. appreciate you being with us this morning. thanks to all of you for getting up way too early on this friday morning and all week long. morning joe starts right now. he is looking at charges with 20 year maximums, even though that s not the real world sentencing. he is looking at spending a big chunk of time in prison if he goes forward. they have him down to center if he does not cooperate. what do they get if they does cooperate? he is putting trump front and center in this scheme to obstruct. that is former u.s. attorney joyce vance describing the legal
because he is president again. at some point, this could become very dangerous. america in 2025 could be entirely different place than it is today. it is, and i think americans have to it s very hard because it s always different in every case, however, in my book strongman, which is 100 years of people going through this, no one s ever prepared. they think that they ll be the exception, and they don t listen to warning signs until it s too late, which is why when i talk so much these are the warning signs. we are yelling them from the rooftops. yes, he s being very clear, and one of my maximums from studying to stuff is that authoritarians always tell them what they will do, as a kind of challenge, and as a warning. people don t listen until it s too late. there is no particular benefit detecting to when he becomes president, this will not happen. we could have spent four years thinking that once he became president, he ll become more presidential. he s biscotasing on hims
again because you control the government. so what happens now. it s not out of the realm of possibility that the trial gets delayed or takes too long, that donald trump gets elected for the end of the trial, or that the trial does not have been? you know, donald trump, you cannot prosecute when president, now he does not want you to prosecute him because he s busy running for president. then he won t be prosecuted because he is president again. at some point, this could become very dangerous. america in 2025 could be entirely different place than it is today. it is, and i think americans have to it s very hard because it s always different in every case, however, in my book strongman, which is 100 years of people going through this, no one s ever prepared. they think that they ll be the exception, and they don t listen to warning signs until it s too late, which is why when i talk so much these are the warning signs. we are yelling them from the rooftops. yes, he s being ve