of germany, east germany. and i think of germany, east germany. and i think in of germany, east germany. and i think in this of germany, east germany. and i think in this day and age we should think in this day and age we should be able to say, the part of ukraine should be able to say, the part of ukraine that ukrainian government controls today, those government controls today, those parts of ukraine should enter those parts of ukraine should enter nato as ukrainian sovereign state and the nest can be sovereign state and the nest can be negotiated later. i can be negotiated later. have to can be negotiated later. i have tojump in there and have to jump in there and asked, what would that look like if certain parts of ukrainian territory are able to join nato and russia does enter those parts of ukraine because as we know of war is unpredictable. ii as we know of war is unpredictable.- as we know of war is unpredictable. if it enters those errors unpredictable. if it en
membership in nato. a military historian wrote an op ed in the washington post with the headline:. it makes a few arguments as to why ukraine should notjoin nato. russia could continue to prolong the war. i could continue to prolong the war. ~ war. i think quite the opposite war. i think quite the opposite. max - war. i think quite the opposite. max is - war. i think quite the opposite. max is a i war. i think quite the - opposite. max is a brilliant quy opposite. max is a brilliant guy but i think in this case is fundamentally wrong. what we have learned over the last three decades, countries who are not in nato tend to be attacked by russia. the case with georgia and ukraine twice now. if you look at the baltics, they are far more vulnerable than ukraine but they have not been in touch because they have security of a nato membership. we have left ukraine to lock in a grey zone of european security and grey zones attract violence and
it is critical to show that vladimir putin hegemonic aspirations are untenable. you have talked aspirations are untenable. you have talked about aspirations are untenable. you have talked about nato membership offer now. members have agreed it is not possible because what is going on. president biden has said that would mean the us is at war with russia. what do you think of that? i with russia. what do you think of that? ., ., ~ of that? i do not think it would be of that? i do not think it would be the of that? i do not think it would be the us - of that? i do not think it would be the us is - of that? i do not think it would be the us is at i of that? l do not think it| would be the us is at war of that? l do not think it- would be the us is at war with russie would be the us is at war with russia. during the cold war, granted russia. during the cold war, granted there was not ongoing fighting, but we had east berlin fighting, but we had east berlin in the middle of n
crowds in vilnius. translation: i came here today believin: translation: i came here today believing in translation: i came here today believing in the translation: i came here today believing in the partners, - translation: i came here today believing in the partners, in - translation: i came here today believing in the partners, in a - believing in the partners, in a strong data, in a nato that does not doubt, does not waste time and does not turn head toward any aggressor. ukraine will make nato stronger and nato will make ukraine safer. bbc s security correspondent, gordon corera, has more on ukraine s nato bid from kyiv. no one thought membership was on the cut immediately. after all, ukraine is involved in a war with russia and the point of nato is its collective defence. an attack on one is an attack on all. with it would effectively drag nato into that war and that was never likely. but it is the extent of the commitment that matters to ukraine. they have had more promises
that. . , . russia, it would not want to do that. ., , ., ., , that. certainly a risky gamble but likely something - that. certainly a risky gamble but likely something we - that. certainly a risky gamble | but likely something we would see president biden discussed with president zelensky. there are no next steps without risk. there is risk with extending nato membership but clearly risks that come with a continuing costly war. another as - ect continuing costly war. another aspect discussed continuing costly war. another aspect discussed at continuing costly war. another aspect discussed at the - continuing costly war. another l aspect discussed at the summit, president biden met with turkey s president recep tayyip erdogan. agreement for sweden tojoin nato. and mr biden congratulated his counterpart. recep tayyip erdogan saying a new process had been negotiated. they discussed efforts to discuss bilateral cooperation, building on previous dogs with the countries to work together