at what cost? i ll tell you as much as it would usually make me jealous and angry towards you to be maen mentioned in the same sentence with lebron james, it is warranted here because you both were bringing about the best in what that situation was supposed to be. here s what the president tweeted about us. the fake news hates me saying they re the enemy of the people only because they know it s true. i m providing a great service by explaining this to the american people. they purposely cause great division and distrust. they can also cause war. they are very dangerous and sick. now, this is an example of the lie. how? it s a material misstatement of the fact to deceive. we ve pushed back on propaganda before. and the president is the only person that can start a war, not the press. and it s exactly his vast power, that s why people like don lemon hold him to account. lies are dangerous. you know what projections
tells us he does want to avoid a protracted battle that will ultimately decide whether or not a president had been subpoenaed for his testimony. we already know he can be forced to produce documents. we learned that in the nixon case. what we will learn next if there is a battle is whether or not the president had been subpoenaed and the weight of legal authority and legal scholarship says that he can. joyce answer this for me, for us non-legal minds f. the president somehow negotiates a conversation of sorts an interview of sorts with the mueller legal team, is he in danger of purerjuring hymn himsf there? in other words can heic if a it or say something that s not true if it is a less formal version of an interview than if it is a subpoenaed interview. there is a federal crime of lying to the fbi or lying to a federal agent. if you are being interviewed by the fbi, and presumably that s what this setting would look like and you make a material misstatement. not maybe you get a da
didn t feel like he needed to get ready for those debates. he was ready as is. so why do you think he s agreeing to this prep now? well, because in a presidential debate, if you make a misstatement, it s just a political event. in a deposition or under oath, grand jury appearance, if you make a mistake, which is a material misstatement, it can land you with a felony charge of either perjury if you re under oath or making a false statement if you re not under oath. each of which carries criminal penalties. and could lead to an indictment if the president is indictable or an article of impeachment if the house was so inclined. the stakes are much higher in this context. the president knows that he s been deposed in civil actions, and i expect his lawyers are telling him the big difference here is robert mueller has the power of prosecution, and that s not what you want to run afoul of or the power of referral to
e-mails, hope hicks right there at his side throughout all of this is very likely to know what was happening, what president trump knew, when he knew it and what they were saying. and also what they were saying publicly about these things and whether those two things matched up. the statement about telling white lies i think also is a really interesting statement. we ve all told white lies when our friend asked us, does this dress make me look fat? is that the kind of thing she s talking about or is it the kind of lie that can be a material misstatement, the kind of lie that is substantive that could be either obstruction of justice or a false statement to the fbi. that s going to be very important as well. chuck, it s donald trump so you never know which kind of white lie it was. l let me ask you the same question i asked barbara. what sort of witness, and rate her importance to bob mueller in terms of what caralo has described, what was described in the new york times that was th
extemporaneous extemporaneously. they have to be concerned, because in these cases, and barbara may agree or not agree, but usually the vulnerability is by someone mystiquing and committing perjury. perhaps not even wittingly or intending to do so. the president s chances of doing this are so much greater than the average person because he s careless with the facts. your take on that? what are your biggest concerns? i do think, as john just says, his history of carelessness with the facts. i do want to point out if he makes a mere slip of the tongue, that is not necessarily perjury. perjury requires making a material misstatement of fact. so it has to be a knowing lie. it isn t enough you just messed up on some detail. there s been an allegation that robert mueller s laying a perjury trap for trump, which is