the way we defeat them ideologically, we remind people their intent is to kill us and our intent is to use every means possible to get to them before they get to us. we are pretending this is a war that is not that significant. we have a president called it the jv team, said we contained it. nine hours after that there was a mass being aer in paris. we ve got to make it so untenable for somebody to join isis rather than teenagers around the world want be to be part of this we need to go after it with significant ground troops, air campaign. we had 9,000 flown sorties, air missions, we were flying 3,000 air missions per day during desert storm. the rules of engagement have got to be lucent. we have to make sure we are not going over setting off