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like the uk are going to try and make policies like the rwanda scheme work in the coming years, decades, generation, and therefore the government should be trying to get this over the line even if it doesn t work in the short term? and that maybe future governments of whatever political stripe are going to have to think radically and do things at the moment that might not be palatable to a lot of people. mary? well, i m not sure i agree with your thought experiment. i mean, i think this is a policy that is entirely self constructed by the conservatives. it s unworkable, it s wildly expensive. it s already cost the taxpayer £400 million. and not a single person has gone on a plane to rwanda. and it s been chucked out by our supreme court. so ijust don t see where this goes. i think this was seen as a sort of clever dividing line with the labour party. and, you know, we ve now discovered that rishi sunak raised concerns about the costs of the policy when he was chancellor.
is going to be, mary? i think it will be october november. i don t see rishi sunak calling it for may. i mean, he s the prime minister, he can call it when he wishes. i mean, everyone thinks it s - going to be november the 14th. and in terms of public opinion, final thought on the election. we had, of course, the famous brenda from bristol thing, you know, not not another one of a few years ago. but is there a sense now in the polling and the focus groups that people want an election sooner rather than later? yeah, i think when you ask people explicitly, would you like an election now? and there s been polling data to back this up, about two thirds of people say not even right now, but yes, we d like one early. we don t want to wait till sort of winter this year. we don t want to, you know, have another year of this. i don t think it s yet a clamouring, people absolutely desperate to do it. and i think they d rather just get it done with. well, it s interesting, and it will be along
the chance of his amendments getting through are minimal. but even if they did, the chance of the policy working appear to me to be minimal. the chance of the policy working in time to move the dial- for the next electionl appear very minimal. and the fact that the tory party is now going to go to war- about it next week is simply. going to increase the salience of the issue as an issue that| divides the tory party rather than the salience of the issue i with scarlett s voters all saying, ah, thank goodness our party is now tackling this issue. one more sort of thought experiment from this to both of you, mary and ed, which is, if we accept the kind of contention that a big challenge for richer countries over the next generation is going to be the question of irregular illegal migration and the existing ways of dealing with it aren t working, and therefore countries like the uk are going to have to think radically and do stuff that they might not have entertained in the past, i
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