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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 07:46:00

in researching their final hours, reporter todd cooper learn the couple had last been heard from, at about 2 pm thursday. one of the first things we found out about was based on a conversation between both of them, they were roaring with laughter, so much that the daughter took a screenshot of the conversation. that kind of humanizes this and makes you realize this was just a lightning bolt in the middle of an otherwise normal mother s day. carol brumback, roger sister, also spoke with her brother that afternoon. then two days later, a family member broke the awful news. wow. he said roger and mary were murdered. i said, i said i said what are you talking about? he said they were murdered. what goes through your mind? i had no idea, i had no idea

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 08:32:00

thomas hunter, shirlee sherman, and roger and mary brumback, anthony garcia finally faced a jury. there to witness it all, friends and family of the victims. thomas hunter s mom claire hunter, who had been staying out of the public eye, and shirlee sherman s brother dan were two of the first people outside the courtroom. it s been eight years. you know? it s been going on for a long time. a lot of this stuff s a blur. douglas county attorneys don kleine and brenda beadle had been prepping this case for more than three years. you prosecuted all four murders. yeah. you ever think about, maybe we should just take the last two. that s easier? sure. that was a discussion that we had many times but the evidence, i think, would still come in. especially with the 2008 case. so it seemed like the most logical thing was, if we re going to do these, let s do them together.

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 08:03:00

creighton universitity s pathology department had apparently been targeted for murder. in 2008 the victimers with dr. williams 11-year-old son tom and his house cleaner, shirley sherman. the latest victimers were dr. brumback and his wife mary. and at 2:19 p.m. the last day the brumbacks were known to be alive, someone tried to break into the home of a third creighton pathologist. dr. chandra butra. this time there was a positive motive for murder. in 2001, dr. anthony garcia had been let go from the creighton university pathology department for unprofessional conduct. he had since moved to indiana. so they called the indiana state police.

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 07:45:00

same specific pathology training program that we had in the 2008 case. doctor brumback would ve been a colleague of doctor hunter. no question they would ve known each other. no question. it had been more than five years since the killings in dundee, but the creighton connection was lost on no one. least of all the families of the 2008 victims. sherman shirlee and tom hunter. he was headed to the pathology department doctor brumback. i recognize that right away. the fact that it was another pathologists from creighton, killed with a knife, i automatically assumed it was related. roger brumback wasn t any pathologists. he was head of the department. he and mary brumback were both 65.

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 08:10:00

two months after dr. roger brumback and his wife mary were murdered in their home, omaha detectives flew to indiana, ready to make an arrest. their target was a former creighton med school resident, dr. anthony garcia. the detectives had arranged to have a s.w.a.t. team and forensic technicians on hand in terre haute when they made the arrest at garcia s home. but once their plane landed, that plan changed. after we landed in indianapolis on sunday afternoon and turned our phones back on, we would observe that all of a sudden, dr. garcia s cell phone is no longer in terra haute, and he was mobile, and he was traveling south through illinois, which gave us obviously some concern. because you thought he was headed where? well, we didn t know exactly. it was possible that he would return the next day, so we kind

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