bill: isn t it remarkiable in how we ve come in a few years? martha: it s aa it s amaze, i remember people smoking in the office. which wasn t that local. you thought people could never adapt to it. bill: new york started t. well, i guess california started it and new york followed it and the rest of the country fell in line and also you walk into a restaurant, if you catch a whiff of a cigarette, it s the exception not the rule anymore. martha: absolutely. we re pretty adaptable, people in general. bill: again and again. frustration on the immigration issue from illegal immigrants, now speaking out. that s next. stay tuned. martha: it s the trial of the summer, folks. it s about to get pretty interesting. the jury deciding rod blagojevich s fate. they ve been listening to the wire tap recordings, we ve played you a lot of sound bites from those. now the former governor, expected to take the stand himself. can he win over the jurors
martha: don t get me started, what happens if he gets started! joe, joins me, a criminal defense attorney, imagine if he ser client. no! martha: you probably had worse, right? yep. martha: talk to me, would you advise him to go on the stand or not. it is a risky, risky event, when the defendant takes a stand, especially in a federal criminal trial. the rules of impeachment are wide open and this guy, in particular, made, a mockery of this, has done press conferences, interviews, and so much things, and that said he has to testify in the case and tell juries why it doesn t mean what it sounds like the jury why it doesn t mean what it sounds like and the only chance he has, he has to abandon his usual cockiness and humble
interior enforcement, shut down the illegal employers and you will see the flow across the border reduced sub stages and, then, you can substantially and then you can manage the problem in arizona as you saw it in california, and san diego, they were attacked for wanting to build the fence and bringing border patrol agents in and you see how secure they are in san diego, it pushed the problem to arizona and we ll continue to treat the symptoms because it is politically easier than telling people i hear you. you cannot do it any more. martha: i hear what you are saying and there continues to be a pervasive situation i think it is fair to say the people in the border area, seem to think there is a bagg bigger problem than t people in washington do and haven t seen a lot of presence, attention to the issue from the administration in the form of a visit by the president or real-time spent there by the homeland security chief, janet napolitano. is there any effort, any sign that y
ticket, rich, for 2012. we re getting a little ahead of ourselves there, but martha, that poll is just another sign, and there s been a lot of data to this effect, the center of gravity in american politics has shifted to the left sorry, to the right, pretty significantly. no, you were right, to the left! pretty significantly over the last 18 months. so what was plausible and politically convenient, you no e. in the fall of 08 you know, in the fall of 08 is a very different story now. martha: kirsten, want to weigh in on the bachmann-palin possibility? i m all for it, i would love that. but i think the other thing, there s a gallup poll actually out showing the democrats doing better in a democratic matchup and the key point is independents who are moving towards the democrats, so it depends on which poll you look at. martha: let s pull that poll up again, because i think i read it backwards. a 53 percent less likely. so of voting for a candidate
say something that is going to be inconsistent he says over and over i will not give it away for nothing and his brother says you shouldn t give it away for free but the things that are discussed are, you know, he says he wants to be an ambassador and political appointments and there is a strong argument that those kinds of deals get made all the time, i ll scratch your back, your scratch yours and that is how it is done. exactly and it doesn t mean he s going to get cash in return for a senate seat. martha: is it all right, we ll keep the tape, joe, always good to have you here. thanks, martha. bill: we ll see on that. martha: we shall see. bill: and there was an explosive video, that shows the government worker, responsible in part tor doling out money to farmers in the state of georgia. she s heard during an n.a.a.c.p. meeting, describing some of her feelings when dealing with a certain white farmer. shirley sherrod is her name and she s african-american and since the tape