than any economic system, and that isop the health of people. corporate interests in the interest of american family conflict, you have to side with american families. it seems like an obvious point. we made it last week and will continue to make it. one person who s been saying this for a long time is j.d. vance. the author of hillbilly elegy, and he joins us tonight. thank you for coming on. the point is to not make some kind of argument against market capitalism or any company in particular. the point is only that conservatives come as a think about what is important, i do put individual americans, particularly a family unit, the nuclear family, above other considerations. you think that s a crazy way to see the world? no, i don t. the way i would frame it, tucker, we treat market capitalism as an end or retreat market capitalism as a tool. a tool to create prosperity, a tool to create wealth, a tool to create a healthy society. i think with a lot of folks in
up the trash. a clean, orderly stableli country that respects itself and above all a country where normal people who grew up no place special can get married and have happy kids and repeat unto the generations. a country that actually cares about families, building block of everything. what would it take to get a country like that? leaders who want it. for now those leaders willle have to be republicans, there s no option at this point. but, first, republican leaders will have to acknowledge that market capitalism is not a religion. market capitalism is a tool, like a staple gun or ait toaster. you would have to be a fool to worship it our system wasr created by human beings for the benefit of human beings. we do not exist to serve markets. just the opposite.s. any economic system that weakens and destroys families is not worth having. a system like that is the enemy of a healthy society. internalizing all of this will not be easy for republican leaders. they have town learn decades of
environmentalism means getting outside and picking up the trash. a clean, orderly stable country that respects itself and above all a country where normal people who grew up no place special can get married and have heach kids and repeat unto the generations. a country that actually cares about families, building block of everything. what would it take to get a country like that? leaders who want it. for now those leaders will have to be republicans, there s no option at this point. but, first, republican leaders will have to acknowledge that market capitalism is not a religion. market capitalism is a tool, like a staple gun or a toaster. you would have to be a fool to worship it our system was created by human beings for the benefit of human beings. we do not exist to serve markets. just the opposite. any economic system that weakens and destroys families is not worth having. a system like that is the enemy of a healthy society. internalizing all of this will not be easy for republica
that somebody s taking advantage of us. mark: what else do we have a net inflow of? knowledge. creativity. technology. that is since the beginning of mankind. you know, explorers, journeymen, they wanted to learn, know more. everything isn t known in new jersey or pennsylvania or minnesota or the united states. there s things we can learn, things that we can do and so there s a back-and-forth knowledge flow too, that capitalism, that trade, that commerce is involved in, it s not like that s the intention of everybody, but, wow, look how they did this, maybe we can improve upon this and so on and so forth. am i right. that s a good point. not only international exchange of goods and services and financial assets but also an international exchange of knowledge in technology and innovation, and so that accumulates over time in ways
forth, part of their political constituency group, and finding in america today more and more, i and you, are in the minority. when it comes to capitalism. we talk about free trade. we don t have free trade. i mean, freer trade and all of a sudden you are anti-american, you don t believe in fair play. what do you say to people like that? this whole idea of make america first, that is putting american consumers last. if you think of it from the consumer standpoint and politically, that s one of the dangers is that protectism sells in the political mark: it s an easy headliner. yeah. and it looks like the politicians are doing something and identifiable companies or industries that are now protected. you can look at the workers protected. have you photo opportunities, but then the costs imposed throughout the entire economy are much more difficult. mark: give an example. you talk about steel. we re trying to increase defense spending. we are.