in which a verdict emerges in one direction or the other, it will be hard for them to have confidence in what took place inside. so, i think it s equally important, maybe more import in the federal case, but it would require a great departure from the usual rules. yeah, it seems very unlikely there. your hearings were televise. they showcase the role that mark meadows played in those efforts by trump to stay in power. i mean, what did you make of looking at these 98-page indictment, seeing his name on the first page as a codefendant? well, the absence of his name or the suggestion of his name as an unindicted coconspirator, potentially in the federal, degraded a lot profound questions about whether he s cooperating. those questions still continue. but certainly, if you want to lay out all the participants, all the facts in the way that is fulton county indictment does, all 95 pages of it, and then he s going to be included, because he was very much a participant in what they ve
the results of the 2020 presidential election in this state. the indictment includes 41 felony counts and is 97 pages long. please remember everyone charged in this bill of indictment is presumed innocent. specifically the indictment brings felony charges against donald john trump, rudolph william luis giuliani, john charles eastman, mark randele meadows, john chesebro, jeffrey clark, gianna lin ellis, ray stallings smith the third, robert david chilly, michael a
mark meadows is now charged. for instance, if mark meadows has not admitted this conduct and you are thinking you are going to use him on the witness stand, that s gone because he s going to be saying wait a second either i didn t do it and you better believe it which really hurts her case or you re sitting there thinking he is not being candid with me the federal prosecutor so i cannot put him on the stand. we ve been talking a lot about whether these prosecutors talk to each other. the idea of a global cooperation agreement, a global plea agreement that-ing corporates legal liability in multiple jurisdictions, that s something the presumably a defendant would initiate on their side but then we ll have to get prosecutors from the very systems to reach. absolutely and it s not unusual. you have people or have federal prosecutors who are more likely federal state prosecutors are
rudy giuliani who is alleged to be an unindicted coconspirator, no. you may face federal charges and state court charges, but they seemed in line, there s just more pressure. where we see there may be a real conflict is mark meadows. if mark meadows is cooperating at the federal level, well, he was just charged at the state level, or if he was given immunity at the federal level to give information. but he didn t admit to what he is, he has now been charged with at the state level. that is going to be some tension to bring these federal and state charges. there s also the possibility that he didn t fully come clean to the federal investigators. and this will be some, a useful wake up call, as you might say, to him and his lawyer as to needing to face the music. and, rachel, three facts we have gleaned, rachel
this is a moment in american history, the president of the united states is effectively being called in official court, as the head of a criminal enterprise. there s been a lot of speculation about white house chief of staff mark meadows who had not been previously indicted. and there was a lot of drama about his testimony, the various investigatory bodies and grand juries. and i think a lot of people thought that mark meadows is getting charged, that he is cooperating, it s the president. mark meadows is charged here as a number of trump lawyers. we saw trump lawyers named, or not named, but indicated as unindicted coconspirators in the federal indictment, the most recent federal indictment about trying to overturn the election results. questions as to them not being charged but named as coconspirators. here, they are charged. giuliani, charged. eastman, charged. she s parole, shards. clark, charged. , charged sydney powell, charge.