about how you know them, how long you ve known them. i ve known gary probably since, 15, 20 years. he was my assistant superintendent, i was superintendent. mark knew a lot about gary s coin business. he had started dabbling in it as well. he told detectives details that suggested a fellow collector could have targeted the terrell s. he has people all over. i know he goes to hotels, he needs people. runs ads in the paper. according to mark, gary set up one of those meetings around the time of his death. and it involved a lot of money. he was actually going to sell $50,000 worth of gold for cash. it was a buyer that was going to give him $50, 000, that s all i know. he also mentioned text messages that he had seen on gary s phone from some other guy. gary asked me to read some of his text messages. there are five from a guy that he had taught in a class i was asking for money. and i have no idea. you don t remember, was
u.s.-pack sanee relations. u.s. provides large amounts of development assistance and substantial amounts of military assistance. this is a relationship that is very important to both parties. so i think that both the united states and pakistan would have something to lose if this were to seriously affect relations. jon: and it should be pointed out senator john kerry went over there, was working on releasing raymond davis. he has now departed pakistan but he says he is hopeful. mark quarter man, thank you for being with us. thank you very much. jenna: a historic bumming up in flames in one city, a man suspected of arson is in custody we have the breaking details straight ahead on that. when you think of the amish you might think horses, bug he s, neighbors helping neighbors. right now they are facing a financial fraud, a bernie