would throw a few more pieces of paper in with it. hutchinson instructed some to keep meetings closed. some of the meetings were off the books. journi jo joining us is former press secretary sarah matthews. we should note you resigned after what happened on january 6th. are you surprised to hear what your colleague testified about mark meadows burning documents in his office? it doesn t surprise me. he was consistently one of the biggest enablers of trump and just hearing from folks that i worked with who were often in the room with him when he was with president trump, he usually didn t push back on trump. so it doesn t surprise me to hear he wasn t acting in accordance with the law. can you remind viewers what
you are looking at live pictures of the u.s. capital, as a new batch of transcripts reveal details about the january six committee insurrection investigation. jessica snyder has the story. we are now seeing the intricate details of all four times that cassidy hutchinson testified for the committee. the last time in june 2022, really, the most illuminating. because by that, point she left her trump world attorney for a neutral council who told the committee that she s really needed to correct some of the previous testimony to clear up the record about what she had previously said. and the details that she gave are indeed damaging. so, first, all she told the committee that she saw mark meadows burning documents in their office fireplace. about a dozen times. which he, said amounted to once or twice a week. between december 2020 and
now could be months that the migrants desperately seeking asylum could get the way to enter the united states legally. and it s revealed that former white house aide cassidy hutchison said she saw mark meadows burning documents in his office about a dozen times. she also told the committee there were several discussions in the white house involving qanon conspiracies. and russian forces have killed thousands of ukrainian forces. on tuesday they destroyed a maternity ward in kherson fortunately after doctors delivered two babies. fortunately no one was killed in the attack. a woman from buffalo, new
insurrection. barr telling him, quote, if i were you i d resign, get out of there. and new transcripts revealing how trump himself were considering blanket pardons for not only insurrectionists but for white house staff. now, there s a growing body of evidence about the extent to which many in mr. trump s orbed were seeking pardons after the 2021 attack on the u.s. capitol. as ari likes to say pardons are for criminals and if accepted an admission of guilt. joining me now is the political investigations reporter for the guardian. and emily, legal writer for the new york times magazine. hugo, i m going to start with you. how big is this new testimony on mark meadows burning documents and concealing meetings? i think it s really big. we had reported previously that cassidy hutchinson testify today
idea. and trump is saying, what about the people who were nonviolent? they said, no, we re not doing this, sara. there s a lot going on in these transcripts that we have not yet heard that we certainly didn t see in the public hearings. what else stands out to you? reporter: that s right, one of the things, frankly, that didn t come out in the public hearings was this notion of mark meadows burning documents. and this is something that cassidy hutchinson brought up in her interview with the committee said there were about a dozen incidents where she sas into th fireplace in his office. she said she didn t know what documents they were, if they were original documents. that was a revelation. and she said meadows had the close meetings, and she wasn t sure if she s were meetings kept off the log at the white house at that time. and she said there were several discussions at the white house about qanon conspiracies. i want to read you one of the