all right, the other side of that court case that mark janus helped win and former communications member of america, carla, it s been some years since we chatted. good to see you. neil: you don t like the supreme court decision? no, no, this decision was not only wrong, i don t think it was about free speech. it was about a political attack on workers freedom to join unions. neil: are not join. and on workers generally. i mean, this is a weird situation now where unions are the only private organization in the country that by law have to represent people that are not paying for their services. you know, we feel like this is part of the longstanding, several decades long attack
court signaled in years past that it was ready to correct that and that it finally took that step yesterday. steve: mark, this wasn t a political decision for you. it s really about your first amendment rights, right? oh, absolutely. you know, the first amendment is a contract with the people of the united states. and it says that i have the right of freedom of association. and, unfortunately, with these agency fees and the way it was set up in illinois and also many other states, there is 22 across the country, you know, we don t have that right. we are forced into this whether we want to be or not. nobody asks. the fee just started coming out of my paycheck and nobody said anything about it other than boom, it s there. steve: sure. one of the things is for a lot of the union members the money goes from their paycheck into the covers of thcoffers ofthe union and often, mark, they support candidates it s money out of your pocket you don t particularly line up behind
if people want to voluntarily join a union and they want to voluntarily pay the dues, i think it s good for that individual and that union, why should i, as a condition of employment be forced to pay a fee in order to just work in a public sector area? steve: yeah, mark, that s the way they have been doing it for decades. it doesn t nestle mean it s right. steve: you are right about that. jacob, what about this particular case do you think appealed to the supreme court with the 5-4 verdict that they would say, you know what? we shouldn t have to force people to do something they don t want to do? well, they started recognizing in a couple of other decisions over the past decade that this is a strange thing where this one kind of group can force people to give it money for political advocacy. there is no other group really except the government that can force people to give it money like that. this was a strange situation that s contrary to first amendment values and the
so say yesss! to help for recurring constipation. yesss! to help for belly pain. talk to your doctor and say yesss! linzess. shannon: in what would have been the top story from the supreme court today, 5-4 decision, just as his ruling against public center unions in the case of an illinois state government employee. mark janus. he didn t want to be forced to pay union fees to an organization s clinical messages he may or may not support. it s a decision that could impact millions of public-sector employees just like him. mark janus and his attorney join us now in a fox news @ night exclusive. welcome back, gentlemen. mark, how do you feel? he took on this fight, takes years to get through this process. a win for you today at the supreme court. it is starting to. it s a bit overwhelming. to have a decision such as we received today is just so
steve: thanks, ainsley. a fox news alert. justice kennedy s decision below a blow to labor. public employees cannot be forced to pay union labor fees if they don t want to. a major victory for our next guest. and illinois state employee who says being forced to hand over a weekly portion of his paycheck is a violation of his constitutional rights. joining us right now is the plaintiffs in that case mark janice along with his attorney jacob huber they are joining it looks like they are at the lincoln memorial where actually they are in our bureau where actually there is some drilling going on. gentlemen, thank you for joining us today. good morning. good morning. steve: mark, let s start with you why did you want to sue. there were so many aspects of the union that i just did not agree with when it came to their politics and also when it came to their policy and some of the collective bargaining efforts that they were trying to accomplish. steve: are you antiunion? no, absolut