frankly, to see the volumes of people trying to get out. i was told of a 20-mile long queue of people trying to get out through a russian-held town, not allowed out and making their way through the fields, but remarkable volumes of people walking on bicycles, wheelbarrows even simply to get out of russian control, anderson. just quickly, clarissa, has the full force, the full onslaught of the russian offensive begun already in the east, i mean, it s hard there s not a lot of pictures, it s hard to know, but that seems to be the big question. i just think it s going to look very different from anything that one might have imagined in terms of some sort of shock and awe. this is going to be incremental. this is going to be a war of attrition. this is going to grind on. russia has thrown a lot of troops at it already, but when mariupol falls, they can potentially throw even more troops at it. but every day, what you re seeing is movement back and
at moshchun. while the capital is safe for you, the southern seaport of mariupol is dire where civilians are trapped, trying to survive. and in the ukrainian bunker, they say they will not surrender despite russian ultimatums that have now expired. in addition to military supplies, there are civilians fallen victim to this war. we appeal and plead all world leaders to help us. if mariupol falls, it would give russia the land bridge to the crimea peninsula they ve long sought and free up sources in the east. one ukrainian member of congress says that more weapons are needed. and in donbas it s started we need the weapons, aircraft, tanks, armored vehicles. griff: and that marine
food or water, without electricity, without nothing. you know, mikola, putin saying now his forces will block aid, the defenders still in the city, cutting them off from food and supplies, says they should have the chance to surrender but president zelenskyy is saying that won t happen. if mariupol falls, how will these defenders be remembered? i believe that they will stay alive and they are really heros because they capture the and holding huge powers of huge forces of russian troops in the, in this region. and actually, mariupol, it failed the putin s plan, soiled putin s plan to conquer the donetsk and luhansk regions in the borders until the victory
retaliation. once mariupol falls, to what clint was saying, and it looks like it is going to fall, the civilians are in a very, very bad situation. of course, that frees up those russian soldiers to take part in that fight that clint was talking about. david ignatius, let me ask you a provocative question, i guess, because it is outside the mainstream of american foreign policy and what would be accepted western foreign policy. but we look back on wars. if you ask bill clinton and the administration what they regret the most, they d probably talk about rwanda, feeling like they abandoned the rwandan people during the genocide. you can go all the way back to world war ii. abandonment of the jews. fdr not doing enough for the jews when they knew the holocaust was taking place and a final solution was taking place by hitler. i m wondering, you have this ukrainian commander asking for joe biden s help. saying, joe biden, you re the only person that can help us
hit those try to evacuate a train center and killed 50 two weeks ago. i would keep an eye potentially on this area for putin s army to start focusing on and start concentrating on because they could come in from the north, they could come in from the east and if mariupol falls, they could come in from the south as well where the pin ser movement would happen on behalf of putin s army. we re over 5 million refugees that have left ukraine and neighboring countries. extraordinary numbers there. dana: thank you for that. let s bring in congressman michael waltz. a member of the house armed services committee. the foreign minister of russia says the fighting in ukraine has entered a new phase and they willfuly liberate doneesque and luhansk. it looks precarious for the ukrainians. thanks, dana. i have think it is worth