the stimulus money and when they started rolling out shots that they seemed to have lost a little bit of over the summer. and, margaret, what about this kind of kerfuffle, if you will, this controversial gop congresswoman mark ri taylor green back in the spotlight this week, this time involved in a shouting match with democratic congresswoman debbie dingell yesterday on the steps of the capitol over democrats support for a bill protecting women s rights to have abortion access. take a listen. killing a baby up until birth is a lack of civility. it s called murder. hey, how about some order down there. lack of civility? how about lack of laws or protecting you should practice the basic thing you re taught in church. respect your neighbor. in church? are you kidding me? try being a christian and supporting life. you try being a christian support life. decently. oh, boy. margaret, and then debbie
know, engage or not engage? how is either most beneficial? all right. david, margaret, rachel, thanks to all of you. really appreciate it. thank you. straight ahead, eight members of the nypd hospitalized with coronavirus and now the police commissioner is delivering a passionate plea to everyone on the force. plus a computer chip shortage could cripple the nation s economic recovery. cnn goes one-on-one with the u.s. commerce secretary straight ahead. with usaa safepilot, when you drive safe. .you can save up to 30% on your auto insurance. usaa. what you re made of, we re made for. get a quote today.
margaret talevs. david, you first, gentleman first in this case. this democratic stalemate on biden s agenda, do you see any way the democrats can bridge this divide within party and find a way to unite behind these bills? good afternoon, fred. look, i think democrats are making this harder than it has to be. if progressives and they re not going to like hearing this work backwards from the fact that what they re going to get through is whatever senator manchin, the most conservative member of their caucus is willing to accept, then i think they could get to a quicker solution. maybe on monday they have to vote down the bipartisan infrastructure package that has already passed the senate with 19 republican votes at least one time just to show they mean business, but at the end of the day i think they re going to get further by taking what they can get and then moving forward and being able to claim victory. i don t think the benefit they get out of having, let s say, a $3.5 trillion
power typically loses two dozen seats in the midterm election. so this is the time to do it. look, there are other democrats who believe that as margaret was saying they d rather have nothing than two bills that total 4$4.5 trillion in all, they re looking at inflation and the economy and they don t think this is a good idea. so those democrats are ready to walk away if they don t get what they want. it really depends on who you are talking about. when it comes to speaker pelosi, the general sort of wisdom in washington is don t underestimate speaker pelosi, she has this iron fist, is able to cobble together her caucus but this is a problem unlike she has ever seen before and that is there s a group of moderates in the house who will not vote for this huge reconciliation bill if joe manchin and kyrsten sinema are not going to vote for it, either. those two moderates in the senate are refusing to commit to anything which makes passing
this big bill in the house next week next to impossible. so it s a really tricky and sticky situation for speaker pelosi. i know she s projecting confidence but behind the scenes there is a lot of chaos and a lot of problems she will have to deal with this week. david, this comes at such an inopportune time. this should be a time when the democrats are touting some big little wins, i mean, a partisan sham election audit in arizona confirming joe biden wins and, you know, i guess it should be dealing a blow to trump s big lie, even though there are other efforts going on in texas still. i mean, if they can t find common ground on how to recognize some victories and perhaps use it, you know, as momentum, then what other opportunities might there be around the corner? right. i think that s the problem. just as margaret and rachel were saying. the arizona audit coming back saying that biden may have gotten more votes than trump