who probably would not be able to get clearance, think about that, so they have an issue on their hands. i think there is a question. did they bring mike pence into that fold or not. was he doing the human resources part of the transition? yes, he was. so you know, those questions need to be answered. you heard marc s, you know, marc s reasons for why the vice president wouldn t know. i m sure mueller wants to, you know, hear the explanations himself. i would also point out real quickly that there is reporting right now on cnn.com where one of your a group of your reporters talked to seven different transition officials that were all saying that the vice president did not know he was lied to by general flynn. and that was where this was headed. so let me ask you, marc. the atlantic magazine today reporting that pence sent trump a letter. and he sent him a letter after the access hollywood tape, and in that letter, he said he
marc, pick up your mike. we can t hear you. while he s talking, i m going to go back to you, kurt. marc s got it. to be fair to him, we ll let him continue. these things happen in live television. go ahead. basically, ben carson is dmot blaming victims. what he is doing is saying we should attack somebody with a gun as the primary resolution to what is clearly a gun control problem. that s my fundamental problem. what s wrong with the comparison you just gave is, when a plane about to be crashed by terrorists attacking the terrorists saved everyone. in this case, someone would be volunteering to die. he can t shoot everybody, but if i rush the guy, he s probably shooting me. ben carson should focus more on helping lead the nation than to a sensible conversation about gun control, not getting rid of everyone s guns. let s talk about sensible gun control so things like this don t happen. kurt? oh, mark, no no no. look, when we are faced with a crisis, when all hell breaks
the irs. that s part of the watergate reforms we saw back in the 70s. once we find out who is responsible, and i think we all agree what went on was heinous, once we find out who was responsible, those people should go. to start calling for the heads of people without having all the information before us i think is premature and i think that s unprofessional. furthermore, you can t have the president of the united states getting involved in this because the law prohibits him from doing this. also from marc s previous quote, that s what the president said at a rally talking to latinos saying this is not the attitude you should have about punishing your enemies, rewarding your friends. i m so sick of having that quote taken out of context especially when we know better that s not what he was saying at all. i gave you the context. no, you didn t. excuse me. hold on. let me say what i want to say here. the context is a president who tried to issue an executive
want to have more of the same, and obama really tonight has to show how his second term would be different than the first instead of this forward stuff that we ve been hearing from him. megyn: you know, joe, i took a look at those fox news polls, and marc s right, the overwhelming majority of americans want change, they don t want to stay the course, but the question is, who does that mean? whose policies do hay want to change? it s something like 95% of republicans want to change course, 51% of democrats and 77% of independents, but when you drill even deeper and ask, well, who s got the wrong economic policies, the guys are evenly split, you know? it s like 38% saying barack obama s policies have helped us, 38% say they ve hurt us. i mean, the electorate, they just seem deadlocked on so many issues. megyn, you know, that s why i think, look, it may be i think it s smart, perhaps, for american crossroads to deliver that ad and to run it in the swing states, but i think it d be a m
megyn: and now we have an update, marc. you want to update our viewers on what he s doing now. absolutely. well, as i reported in my washington post column, he has skipped his daily intelligence briefing more than half the time since taking office, and in the week leading up to the crisis in libya and the attacks in libya and egypt, he missed it every single day for a week. since we published those articles and talked about this on the air last thursday, has attended his presidential daily briefing for five days in a row. and we looked at the schedule, we looked at the numbers today. the last time he attended the presidential daily briefing, the intelligence briefing five days in a row was in february, seven months ago. so i don t think it s a coincidence that suddenly he s gotten a new interest in spending time with his intelligence briefers. and i think it has to do a lot with the reporting you ve done on this and together. megyn: all right. well, we ll let that be the final word.