we now know all that reporting in theat summer of 2021 really seem today have gotten under trump s skin. so much so trump s reaction to all these articles may just be the smoking gun to the special counsel s mar-a-lago investigation. as we vel reported here before multiple news outlets including nbc news are confirming the special counsel s investigation have nowl obtained an audio fr donald trump from that summer, july 2021. in that recording trump is angry. he s angry about that article about mark milley and he s reportedly doing everything he can in this recording to prove he never wanted to attack iran. instead trump claims the person who really wanted to attack iran was wait for it general mark milley. as evidence of that he says he
espionage case from mar-a-lago. right. carol, i know the washington post has i done some important- so important that we ve bookmarked it on our browser, reporting about trump s motivation forab holding onto these documents. and i wonder how you think this creates a more vivid picture of that motivation and whether and the degree to which this could really just be as talie says ego. soe i m glad you asked, and couldn t agree more with talie about the importance of the motive in terms of telling the story, you know, i ve interviewed enough prosecutors to know the most important thing when they go to try is how do we connect all these dutes t and me itl make sense to our jurors? and there is a legal piece here and there s a political and public opinion piece here. so let s deal with the legal first. it seg critical, and we have be
stuff? and now we have an answer i think meaningful to a jury which is personal vendetta. he was wounded by these stories about esmilley and he thought h could use these documents like thisd to help himself maybe legacy build. andga depend on what comes out,e might learn something about his m.o.so of how he managed to get documents into his hands that he shouldn t have had all of which can shed light on and support the mar-a-lago charges. and everything i ve said is true even if it s all a rouse, if he was waving a blank piece of paper or something written by somebody else or something that was not even classified in the first place. prosecutors can still do all of the work that i ve just described. do you think as far as charges and building a case, it is a bigger deal in this instance in terms of the charges it supports the fact he knew the documents weren t classified and was in possession of them in
evidence that we understand from sources not only the justice department has, but it is the evidence that people are asking about, and they have interviewed general mark milley that trump is saying that he got this document from a plan to get the attack from iran, and milley is the joint chiefs of staff, and someone who donald trump often was not, and very much in conflict with at the end of his pres presidency. so there is that, the evidence that they are getting the grand jury testimony about, and building up information about what they know about this meeting, and it is shifting our understanding of this mar-a-lago investigation, kate, because we are talking and it as the mar-a-lago investigation, and what happened last year with the boxes leading up to the fbi search of donald trump s property, and that is not the extent of the case, but it is the case of the justice department gathering evidence
investigation. the hearings live, we brough you primetime recaps each nigh they aired well, now, tonight, we are back for special coverage again, as history of the heaviest kind i made again this time, it is the arrest an indictment of the former president, the first time an president or former presiden has been subjected to th criminal legal process in this country. we know that coverage today, frankly, the coverage sinc last week, when we first learned this indictment wa coming we know that in a time, this has felt a bit like a circus it has at times felt a bit lik 100 per speculation that repor substance. but today, we got the substanc of the legal case against that former president, and it i interesting, it was surprising in some ways, it is legall both intricate and very blunt. and whether or not you are abl to watch the coverage of the presidents arraignment and arrest today as it unfolded, a a real spectacle, you ar forgiven if you didn t watch i as it unfolded, tonight, in th