what will that mean? let s talk about your political party and this new normal. how would republicans normally react to this murder overseas? i think they d be outraged. i think they would want to know the truth. i mean, the cia director was not there. it s pretty obvious why. because the cia did apparently conclude with high confidence that mohammed bin salman had been involved in ordering the or was aware of at least or indirectly ordered the murder of khashoggi and she would have had to say that. so now we can have secretary pompeo and secretary mattis, both of whom i admire in certain ways, but i really am disappointed they went along with this and now they can say well, there s no we ve seen no evidence there s a smoking gun. but again, they presumably didn t talk about the actual grounds of the cia assessment, which gina haspel would have gone through. so i mean the administration didn t send her. some republicans were even
aren t they? it does seem that the president thinks that the walls may be closing in on him. we ve thought that a few times before but it just feels more that way. and i do think the fact that bob mueller seems to think that he has proof that manafort didn t cooperate, i.e. lied, which means he must have evidence that these things were lies, as i understand it you can t just say we re abrogating the deal we made just because i don t like the way he s behaving, you have to really show that he lied. and if trump has some sense that mueller knows that manafort lied about things related to trump and that trump may have lied about those things, then we re at a whole different level. and can you believe we re playing this kind of no. this is screenplay stuff. we were talking about this in the break for a minute. i m just amazed by the joint defense agreement which we re all talking about and lawyers are intelligently explaining, here s why it doesn t work and think about this.
it is called everything trump touches dies. welcome to you both, gentlemen. mr. kristol, i ll start with you. presidential panic isn t pretty. that s what i read you said on social media today in light of that piece of artwork. these are new times we re in, aren t they? it does seem that the president thinks that the walls may be closing in on him. we ve thought that a few times before but it just feels more that way. and i do think the fact that bob mueller seems to think that he has proof that manafort didn t cooperate, i.e. lied, which means he must have evidence that these things were lies, as i understand it you can t just say we re abrogating the deal we made just because i don t like the way he s behaving, you have to really show that he lied. and if trump has some sense that mueller knows that manafort lied about things related to trump and that trump may have lied about those things, then we re at a whole different level. and can you believe we re playing this kind of
gun. but again, they presumably didn t talk about the actual grounds of the cia assessment, which gina haspel would have gone through. so i mean, the administration some republicans were even upset, though, she wasn t there. there was a vote on a related issue with the war in yemen which the administration lost. quite a few republican senators. i would say this about my political party. i do think it s beginning to change but it s much more slowly than one would hope in terms of the willingness to defer to the president and the willingness to just roll over. we may not see that much in this lame duck session but i think the election s had an effect and i think just the evident disregard for all guardrails has had an effect. someone like lindsey graham who s bent over so far backwards to try to get along and even he s saying gee-k we really keep going this way? rick wilson, same question. what you re seeing here was a semantic game by secretary mattis and secretary pompeo, both of
sum up his opinion of the times we re living in. it is called everything trump touches dies. welcome to you both, gentlemen. mr. kristol, i ll start with you. presidential panic isn t pretty. that s what i read you said on social media today in light of that piece of artwork. these are new times we re in, aren t they? it does seem that the president thinks that the walls may be closing in on him. we ve thought that a few times before but it just feels more that way. and i do think the fact that bob mueller seems to think that he has proof that manafort didn t cooperate, i.e. lied, which means he must have evidence that