sentence manafort come will slam him. i would expect to see him get a very heavy sentence. at the same time i really think this is winding down. if mueller was building to a conclusion that involved some kind of conspiracy involving espionage and the president, you wouldn t see all these people getting sentenced or charged with things that are merely process crimes that don t have anything to do with an espionage conspiracy. we ll get news on individual cases but this is drawing to a conclusion. bill: you are saying it s winding down. that s the phrase i hear from you. the mueller report is about to conclude. i think so. bill, if you re building to a big case, then you get the underlynx to come in and they don t plead guilty to process crimes but conspiracy saying here is what i did with the russians, here is what the president did and manafort and page did. we never heard anything like that. that s how a prosecutor builds to a big case.