when he came on this show in october of 2011. we met in 77 when i led a demonstration at your office, refused to leave you, you were the first one to have me arrested. i made you famous. you did it to make me famous? no question. the koch years were tu moul chous, a tumultuous time in this city. and mayor koch and i clashed a lot. but over the years, i did grow to respected his authenticity. a rare quality in politics. he said what he meant and he meant what he said. he ev we even allied ourselves on some issues. we traveled around the country on a national campaign to help nonviolent drug o febders get a second chance in live. the man support eed why he came home to the democratic party.