this. but i say, yes, some of these concerns have gone back as many as ten years or more. but congresswoman tammy duckworth, democrat from illinois, i sort of take her lead on this in saying that maybe shinseki should not resign, but certainly a lot of people around him should. well, he is the man at the top, allegations that 40 veterans or maybe 123 died because of they were ignored. and it s horrendous. and that s why i do think that multiple agencies should be involved in this, because you cannot this is not a scandal like let s say the irs scandal or anything like that. this is serious. people have died. the irs is serious if they re purposely targeting conservatives. that s against the grain of america. but people have died here. people have lost their lives here. and if it s a matter of waiting lists and people sort of shifting waiting lists around, there should be a stronger investigation here. tammy, do you think it s that easy, like shifting waiting lifts around?
and i ve come to accept prison, you know, as my lot in life. we got one coming in on that bed. with a bed freeing up, chaplain summers informs the man at the top of the list that it s his time to move back to honor dorm. the lost lamb. we re coming to get you, man. i feel good. glad to get out of here. you re coming back? i hope not. i m ready. you got my name. i didn t realize i had that much tension on me. it was just like a weight that was lifted. for a guy serving life without parole, the honor dorm is as close to freedom as you ll ever get. where do we want to start? my bible. i have to give a shout out at my bible. step outside at nighttime, which is something i couldn t do for years. there s a lot of little perks i mean most people take for granted, little bitty things we think a lot of.
senate, but the man at the top, president obama, really should have rolled up his sleeves a long time ago and had these conversations much sooner than we had five hours before the shutdown. and there is shared responsibility, i will acknowledge that. but look what happened with clinton and newt gingrich back in 96. they met a lot more all throughout. certainly, right up until the final minute. we re not seeing that here. it s up to the president to start those conversations. paul, let me ask you about that. you obviously worked with president clinton. a lot of republicans are saying, look, president obama has no relationships with people on capitol hill, with republican, and he should have been entering into talks and working on things a long time ago. it would be better for him politically if he had, there s no doubt about it. it s the kind of optics people like, they love that stuff. here s the difference. the problem here is not the republicans, certainly not the democrats.
that are serving elected officials there in washington, they re representing the will of the people. what we need here is leadership. i ll acknowledge this, there s a share of responsibility amongst leaders in the house and the senate, but the man at the top, president obama, really should have rolled up his sleeves a long time ago and had these conversations much sooner than we had five hours before the shutdown. and there is shared responsibility, i will acknowledge that. but look what happened with clinton and newt gingrich back in 96. they met a lot more all throughout. certainly, right up until the final minute. we re not seeing that here. it s up to the president to start those conversations. paul, let me ask you about that. you obviously worked with president clinton. a lot of republicans are saying, look, president obama has no relationships with people on capitol hill, with republican, and he should have been entering into talks and working on things a long time ago.
chaplain summers informs the man at the top of the list that it s his time to move back to honor dorm. the lost lamb. we re coming to get you, man. i feel good. glad to get out of here. you re coming back? i hope not. i m ready. you got my name. i didn t realize i had that much tension on me. it was just like a weight that was lifted. for a guy serving life without parole, the honor dorm is as close to freedom as you ll ever get. where do we want to start? my bible. i have to give a shout out at my bible. step outside at nighttime, which is something i couldn t do for years. there s a lot of little perks i mean most people take for granted, little bitty things we think a lot of. just standing under the stars for a minute. this is really a job. coming up on lockup: extended stay we meet one of the most infamous