already suffered the we re going to get the clear word in a couple minutes, but the scheduled call, that s past that time now. he may be past his time. how can you continue your efforts here? it seems worthwhile to our society, if can you demonstrate even with stronger emphasis or more convincingly that this guy didn t do it, he s actually innocent. you get a case like this where somebody who gets executed, who is actually innocent, and you can basically do it, you will have a very, very strong argument against capital punishment with our without physical evidence? no, i agree. i said that at the vigil today. i talked to his sisters today when they came out from visiting him. we must walk out of this tonight even if troy is executed, and say that we must prove this was wrong, and we must change the law to where even though the
report beforehand that i can t believe he ever seriously examined, or certainly did not have any other expert look at that should have at least led him to stay that execute. and we have definitive proof perjured himself. cameron todd willingham s carrying has been examined. something that he s going to have to explain in this campaign. let s go back to this case. you have intrigued me there, but let me go to this case. how i understand they were at a hamburger joint, it was late at night, they were all inside looking out the window, just imagine looking out the window into the dark.
what happened before we went in. we ve been accused of jumping into cases without tag our time, so i did a lot of deliberation and had the general counsel do it before i even went in to see troy. when we saw the recanting of seven witnesses. i went to savannah and had a rally. we talked to people on the jury. you had people on the jury that convicted him that said if they knew the ballistics that they were told that was on some of the shells did not match what they were told were troy, they wouldn t have convicted him. any one of them would have hung the jury. what all of that, to me the matter wasn t just whether he was innocent. the matter was that there was enough reasonable doubt that you do not execute the man. that is why i have passion. the legal precedent that establishes in this case is that on eyewitnesses, no matter how flawed they may be, is a basis of a capital case.
and think all happen to be watching at the scene at the time. i just wonder about that. that s the kind of thing we re trying to figure out all these years later. barry, as always, great to have you on. i always wonder how quickly these texas governors review the case and whether it makes sense that anybody of average legal competent no, he was not an attorney. i m trying to figure out these cases like opening up a jacket, and all the stuff is not even in there. chris, you read david grand s award-winning piece trial by fire in the new yorker twoiers and review the ed in the willingham case, and i assure you, this will be a major issue in this presidential explain, because there s substantial evidence that governor perry executed somebody that was innocent, and even worse still, when there was a follow-up investigation by the texas forensic science commission, he
support the death penalty will have to agree with us that you need in order to establish a capital case step, then troy davis case will mean something in terms of civilized society. i don t know why people that even support the death penalty, and we ll be in washington meeting with the justice department, why they wouldn t agree that at least there needs to be a bar to have to reach to justify capital case punishment. here we are, thank you very much. we re waiting to get the word on what happened. we expect we ll hear very soon about an execution have been taken place. this is a strange case. this man has so many supporters. really innocent, and these people believe he s really innocent, and this is a miscarriage of justice. we re going to come back and look at this evidence of innocent people, if there are such cases in this country,