oh, yes, and and you know what? this is a correct picture. i was just in moscow and the russians are saying look at those fools and their democracy. absolutely. how could america lecture us on any development institutions, human rights, democracy, rhetoric when they just elected donald trump. he s such a fool. he s such a bully. that s what america deserves. and we re going to take advantage of it. and that s how russians feel about it. and now it s taking shape with letters from vladimir putin to donald trump with their exchange on potential nuclear armament and what not. i think this is going to be a very interesting world to unfold in the next four years. malcolm, she mentioned the letter. does putin s letter complicate things for their alleged interfeerninte interference for the election? i don t think there will be any accountability with the
diminishes the extent of what is alleged here. malcolm nans is a 35 year importantly, he s also the author of a very timely new book called of all things. the plot to hack america and wikileaks trying to steal the 2016 election. malcolm, you have had a couple of days to think about this. where and how do you describe what we believe have just happened. i am glad you asked that question because a hacking is the least of what s happened here. i describe this on july 25th right here on nbc where we are sitting and the dnc, what has happened is the united states was attacked in a very large scale cyber warfare operation perpetrated by russia intelligence at the direction of
have a best selling book on his hands. one of the objectives of a cyber sabotage attack, that s what really is. you said it should be called hacking or something else. hacking is theft and weaponizing it is to use as a sabotage, it is to have americans fighting among themselves to slow them down so that russia feels very much constrained. if the u.s. is busy fighting itself, there will be less pressure on russia to not expand and not go into other parts of ukraine and taking over crimea. that s one thing. two, malcolm, was talking about these groups, cozy bear and fancy bear. the way they operate and difficult for the president to pin it down is sometimes they sometimes operate like independent entities and they
start distributing in the pipeline for propaganda purposes and they said, stop! let s wait until he stabilizes, the polls stabilize, or something else happens. wow. it s a remarkable report. everybody should check it out. check out malcolm s book. we ll have you come back. thank you so much. thank you. coming up in our next hour, my pal lawrence o donnell is back with me to give his closing argument before election day. up next the department of justice is sending mongers to north carolina to make sure that voters, particularly african-americans are able to cast their ballots on tuesday. stay with us. well, if you want to sing out, sing out and if you want to be free, be free cause there s a million things to be you know that there are and if you want to be me, be me
hillary clinton. putin feels strongly that clinton interfered in russian domestic affairs when she was secretary of state. they believe that if they disrupt the election and trump wins, for awhile they thought that was fine. if they disrupt the election and trump loses, well, hillary clinton will be governoring over a torn apart nation and so she ll be forced to spend a lot of her time on domestic issues and russia will not be so would not have to be so concerned about what actions the united states might take. and so let me turn to malcolm. you talked a lot what russia wants. we have reporting that talks about nato allies being very, very concerned that, i mean, that, you know, trump would weaken our nato alliances. you have the washington post with a headline essentially saying that the u.s. is warning of russian misteach in our