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times senior washington correspondent bestselling trump biographer maggie akerman. maggie, thank you for joining me tonight. wonder as you know we ve been racing for this indictment waiting for it to come down. what stood out to you as you read through it? a couple of things kaitlan. much of this was known, much of it was in the public domain or was uncovered by the house select committee run by liz cheney and some of her colleagues. so you look at this two years of investigative work that preceded this and it s all there. it s all very clear. there were a couple of threads that they boil down jackson s team boil down to three conspiracies and he said took place and trump was at the center of. what is striking is that the few details that they have are from mike pence who clearly talked to investigators about private conversations he had with trump, who had his notes subpoenaed, which is why they show up there. there is an effort by jack smith in this indictment to say

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