preserve his presidency and overturn the rightful election of joe biden that man was mike pence. what did he do in that conversation or private conversation to say, you gotta do the right thing it s all that kind of conversation we have been talking about for six years with the way mafia don talks. you have to do the right thing there s negative consequences if you don t. pence can talk about the history of the presidency. two years ago he said x to me. i knew he wanted me to do y. that first year he said this he can testify to trump s state of mind in a way that almost nobody else can, because trump was trying to persuade him to violate the law, obstruct the official proceedings and commit a traitorous act kind of a trai against the united states. i think, mike, so much of what the committee left in terms of bread crumbs was right to the door of what rick s talking about, what trump knew even if you go through and look