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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 10:39:00

barnicle, welcome to the table. so here we are. i think we just have to, you know, our hair can t be on fire. we just have to identify people for what they are. ron johnson is anti-democratic. ron johnson, he s an illiberal, and just like orban, right, he ll accept elections if he wins those elections. he won t accept elections if the people vote against him. so, listen, again, no need to scream and yell, let s just put ron johnson down, let s write it down. he doesn t have faith in american democracy, he will undermine madisonian democracy if it gets in his way of accumulating more power. this is all black and white. we need to just keep that list on hand and understand ron

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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 10:40:00

johnson considers american democracy, considers madisonian democracy, considers the constitution of the united states an irritant, that gets in his path to power if he doesn t win. consider the cultural difficulty involved in this. this is like contagion. ron johnson is not going to accept the results of the election, right, so there s no needs for kids in wisconsin to accept the results of a soccer match, or baseball. they cheated, we win. it s out there. there s a contagion, a virus, an infection in the political system that begins at the top. it will definitely circulate right down to the lives of ordinary people every day. it also has to be said that it bends the mine. the united states senator to participated in the attempted coup against the government in 2020, trying to grab the high ground on election integrity. he s the one who s going to be watching out for the vote, if it

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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 11:12:00

tears after steve scalise was shot and she said we re all one family. there s no humanity in the republican party, no humanity at all, and this has proven it. where are these people. yeah. they re mocking paul pelosi. who raised them? the same people who in prime time mocked police officers who we want about january 6th. they want to support the blue, unless the blue is trying to save american democracy against their most freakish supporters. they want to support law enforcement unless it s the fbi who s investigating corruption at the highest level within the republican party. it s select enforcement. they only support madisonian democracy if their side wins. they only support law enforcement if their side gets a free pass. it is a sickness in the republican party. it is not a sickness in american

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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 11:26:00

that happened because republicans elected more united states senators to the senate. that happened because americans may not like, most americans may not like the way mitch mcconnell wielded his power. may not like that they made up things as they went along. and they didn t play another. but again, it s very simple, if democrats want to change that, if democrats have to figure out even if it seems more difficult now, how to win those elections, how to influence that and within the boundaries of our constitutional guidelines of madisonian democracies. in his case, people are attacking me oh, you re too tough on trump. we may disagree with trump on policies but it s not about abortion. yeah, it s not about guns, yeah

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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 10:09:00

madisonian democracy and checks and balances. people don t understand, like donald trump, he s unlike anybody else who s ever held that office. he doesn t respect constitutional boundaries, you used to be no, i m actually the conservative. they were the radicals. they don t understand, this is about ideology this is about the truth. the truth and constitutional guard rails that donald trump didn t feel compelled to work with. again, as eddie says, it s an uncomfortable position to be with. actually, mike pence may have saved the country that day. he didis job. and that s what we re hearing in the committee about the pressural plied on vice president mike pence that day. we saw the threats on the capitol and yet he carried out his duty. which seemed like an obvious

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