i understand the politics. it goes to the moral question, the ethical question. democracy is at stake. if seems to me if democrats don t take their responsibility seriously, they will be held responsible for what happens. but the responsibility is to do investigations or to move quickly to impeach investigations. well, mueller is doing the investigation, right? we do know he s directed criminal behavior. that s clear. so the machinery needs to start to move. we re going to pause. when we come back, we re going to turn to another story. it s the attempt by state republicans to strip power from newly elected democrats in the midwest. it s happening in michigan and wisconsin. wisconsin incoming governor, tony evers, joins me next to talk about it. i couldn t catch my breath. it was the last song of the night. it felt like my heart was skipping beats. they said i had afib.
the pike. no, i haven t had a chance to talk i mean it was last minute. it was one of these here s a rumor and then here s the bills that have been worked on for several months. but, you know, chuck, if scott walker had won this election, we wouldn t be sitting here talking to you today. is there any part you know, one of the things that the speaker said, he goes, well, in hindsight maybe we gave the governor too much power. take the partisan hat off a minute. all right. i know that perhaps many people read that comment tongue in cheek. but do you believe he s right? well, there are things in that bill that really had nothing to do with giving scott walker anything. so, no, i don t agree with that. you know, we have balanced power in the state of wisconsin. legislature and both sides are republican, i m a democrat, the attorney general is a democrat. i view this as completely different than what robin voss believes, and that is that we are trying to invalidate the will of the p
the votes outstate and i won lots of those counties outstate in the past. i am the governor and i will be the governor of the state of wisconsin and represent all people. if he doesn t veto this legislation, do you plan to sue? do you really think you have standing? all issues are on the table. i m not making any promises one way or the other, but we re looking at all options at the table. i need to stand up for the people of wisconsin. there s 2.6 million people that voted in this last election, and they expect me to do that. so we re going to pursue this. governor-elect tony evers, democrat from wisconsin, thanks for coming on, sharing your views. good luck when you actually take the oath. thanks, chuck. when we come back, the one issue on which democrats are thinking like republicans, and republicans are thinking like democrats.
legislation was going to be an important thing not only for to make sure that our what happened last november, the vote of the people of wisconsin, is actually upheld and we re putting people in front of politics, but also it s just bad legislation. i made that pitch, and he was noncommittal. i know publicly he s said in other arenas that he plans to sign most or all of it. so i m not particularly encouraged at this point in time. but it s around scott walker s legacy. he has the opportunity to change us and validate the will of the people that voted on november 6. did you negotiate with him? did you say, look, i know x is really important to you, i get
how much political and legal peril is president trump actually facing? will republicans stick by him? and will democrats feel obligated to take up impeachment? joining me this morning, independent senator angus king of maine who caucuses with the democrats and republican senator rand paul of kentucky. plus, power grab. republican legislatures in michigan and wisconsin try to roll back the impact of november s election results by stripping power from newly elected democrats. we will not just lie down and accept this. my guest this morning, the incoming democratic governor of wisconsin, tony evers. joining me for insight and analysis are peggy noonan, eddie glaude, jr., of princeton university, kimberly atkins, and jonah goldberg, senior editor at national review. welcome to sunday. it s meet the press.