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allows mobster tear down statues of lincoln and for the authorities to remove statues of lincoln preemptively. if you can t look up to lincoln, of course you have this void. anyone could step into a void this big. as i say, if we get the past into some kind of proper light, we could do the future better. if we just leave it empty, anything can happen. finally i want because you talk about the lack of context, a lack of understanding historically, i just i read your book and i m reminded though of a lot of things that i ve read, whether it was from harold bloom in the western cannon or the closing of the american mind and i want to read this quote to you. it s from his 1987 book the closing of the american mind , this is what allen moon discussed on the changing perceptions of the founding fathers. he said radicals succeeded in promoting a popular conviction that the founding was an the american principles are racist. thus, openness is driven out the local deities leaving

Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 13:00:00

as a conservative that was not a fan of donald trump, we create a void, that allows people, demagogues, strong men like donald trump to step into. that is why when donald trump was president, we talked about madison constitution and checks and balances. that is my fear. not just from the right. but from whom ever. demagogs, if there is a valueless void and we re afraid to go back and connect with the greatest part of our history in the west, then demagogues could ransack that system. and they ll be able to tell you anything they like. and i give the example in the book of abraham lincoln, he used to be agreed upon as american hero. he was an extraordinary story apart from anything else of somebody coming from absolutely nothing and rising to the top position in the land. why has this era decided that it

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