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in fact, 99.9% of all investigations in this country are done by the women and men at the department of justice and u.s. attorneys offices and none of them is called special counsel. so there is a threshold that has to be met and i don t think it has been met. sandra: interesting. capri? i think trey gowdy made ned s point in the fact it is possible to do an investigation without calling a special counsel. i think we need to remember that the department of justice regardless of who is in office, whether it s a democrat or republican, really needs to be above politics. any time an attorney general or anyone in the department of justice or law enforcement play politics it is a disservice to the american people and i think in that regard what attorney general sessions was saying yesterday and what trey gowdy was saying there needs to be a threshold. you need to show that a certain burden so to speak is being met to actually pull the trigger for a special counsel. it is incumbent upon
sandra: attorney general jeff sessions refusing to say one way or the other if that will actually happen. a former writer for president george w. bush and capri cafaro is from the school of public affairs and ohio senate minority leader. now those introductions are done. ned, he left the door open to doing so, did he not? he did. it might be there is already an investigation underway and he can t comment one way or the other. i have to say jeff sessions is one of the greatest disappointments of trump s cabinet. he should never have recused himself. if he was going to he should have refused the appointment. i m not the biggest fan of special counsel. i think there are other ways to skin this cat, sandra.