they would chop down trees to burn for wood, melt snow for water. in the coming days as people tell their stories, give us their testimonies, this is going to be essential to understanding what happened in mariupol. ali. the people i met here who have come from mariupol are saying the same thing, no water, power, can t get in contact with their families who are there because there s no reliable cell service. molly, thank you for your reporting. stay safe, please, my friend. molly hunter in lviv, ukraine. with me is retired army major john spencer. he s the author of the upcoming book connected soldiers life leadership and social connections in modern war, comes out july 1st. when you and i talked a few weeks ago, you were describing the ways in which people in ukrainian cities can engage in sort of urban protection. but it seemed fantastical.
from. up until yesterday we hadn t met anyone from mariupol, the city in the southeast of the country we have been talking so much about. after march 15th people have started to escape. about 35,000 people. and they re starting to arrive here in lviv. we heard reports that they were coming in on a train, i want to share with you some sound from 22-year-old valeria about what it was like there. we have firsthand accounts. i want to play the sound for our audience. just like small bomb but then and then, but last two weeks, the russia just shooting the big bomb. it s 500 kilograms and shooting maybe 20, 30 bomb by the infrastructure and factory, metal factory. 90% of factory is destroyed there. what did it feel like every
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night? can you describe? it s terrible. just big hate for these people who just come. we come to help you, we come to but they don t help us. they just destroyed all of this. reporter: ali, up until now we ve been relying on ap journalists in mariupol, the mayor has given a couple of interviews we ve gotten a couple of audio clips but up until now we have not heard firsthand testimonies, accounts from people who survived mariupol and now they re arriving here. i have to say, watching them walk out that train station coming into the bright sunlight of lviv, people coming from mariupol look very different than what we re seeing elsewhere in the country. we met another family, a mom and daughter, and they described the conditions there as medieval, no food, no water, no heat.
and the past three, four days have been relativity calm in terms of direct combat but heavy in terms of air strikes and shelling. russia is now using its tactic of attacking residential areas, hitting hospitals, kinder gar tens, regular buildings to impose fear on the residents. we know that the people in kyiv are afraid that it will turn into like mariupol or kharkiv in the near future. one thing you reported is that ukraine s military is building what you call a third line of defense around the city. what does that mean? well, basically we know that kyiv is now packed with territorial defense units, with regular army members. we have ground anti-tank