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guest: that s a long metaphor. i think that s what larry holmes objects to the reference of low blows. he hits above the waist most of the time, but, yeah, a number of people compared writing to fighting, and sphaft, i got the as a matter of fact, i got the term although i get the credit for it, the term comes from mohamed ali, and i m writing about him right now that i started in 2003, so when he wrote a book called the greatest where it was ghosted by another person, someone said how are you going to write a book? he said writing is fighting, so that s where i got the term from. host: you go on in the book to talk about african-americans, and you write that a black boxer s career is the perfect metaphor for the career of a blake male. every day is like being in the gym sparring with impersonal opponents as one faces the rudeness and hostility that a blake male must confront in the u.s. where he has the object of both fear and fascination. guest: yeah, well, i re

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