possible accountability for donald trump. nbc has exclusively learned the grand jury examining trump s handling of classified documents will reconvene this week. nbc writes the jury will be concerned considering, quote, to central legal questions. one, did trump wrongfully retain classified documents after he left the white house? and two, did he lay her obstruct the governments efforts to retrieve them? prosecutors have already played a tape of trump discussing highly sensitive military intelligence he took from office and it is not the only recording. the new york times reports the jury will also hear a voice memo from trump s lawyer, evan corcoran, describes trump s conversations about the mar-a-lago case in great detail. on the corner, timing matters. this off this hour, msnbc legal analyst, lisa reuben. lisa, we ve had some false alarms about the grand jury in previous reporting, predicting an indictment right after memorial day. how significant is it that they are rec
witnesses that appeared before the committee were paid for by trump world, that s their word, not just mind. it did cause concern. was that part of the same sort of situation that happened with myths miss hutchinson? was it influencing their testimony? was it keeping these witnesses under control? we were unable to find out, but it made us very suspicious, and we hope that the department of justice would look at it and be able to do more digging than we were able to do. we know that walt nauta and employee number 4 is reported to be tavares, the head of i.t. at mar-a-lago, they re being represented by woodward, woodward is being paid by trump s pack, there s a curious dynamic here, which is lucille tavares s clearly, if he is employee number 4, giving a lot of information to the doj,
get a fair trial is ordinary people in the service of the former president. that seems a reasonable case to be made. i think they are lawyers probably will make that case. when you talk about the evidence and discovery, there seems to be a lot of electronic records mentioned in this. i know this is something that you have flagged. what stood out to you in this superseding indictment? one of the things that stood out to me is really that there are more phones than we knew that we re in jack smith s possession. one of the things we know is that they have nauta s phones. how do we know that? because his lawyer said so in open court last week that two of his, at least two of his phones were seized through a search warrant. what we now know is that they must have either de oliveira or trump employee 4, believed to be lucille tavares, they must have their phones as well. how do we know that?
evidence and discovery, there seems to be a lot of electronic records mentioned in this. i know this is something that you have flagged. what stood out to you in this superseding indictment? one of the things that stood out to me is really that there are more phones than we knew that we re in jack smith s possession. one of the things we know is that they have nauta s phones. how do we know that? because his lawyer said so in open court last week that two of his, at least two of his phones were seized through a search warrant. what we now know is that they must have either de oliveira or trump employee 4, believed to be lucille tavares, they must have their phones as well. how do we know that? because they have electronic communications that are solely between the two of them. that they couldn t have gotten out of nauta s. we other pieces there seems to be some kind of witness who paid a key role in bringing
alicia, they are reconvening, but it does not necessarily mean that an indictment is imminent. it could mean, for example, that the grand jury is coming back together because there s another witness to hear from. prior reporting, prior to this week, was that the grand jury last met on may 5th. we now know, from the new york times, however, that there was a witness to lucille tavares went in on may 15th. it is possible that other people have been in and they are interviewing span of time, but it is our understanding, per nbc s reporting today, that there has been a hiatus and that the grand jury will reconvene sometime this week. lisa, talk us through the evidence from trump attorney, evan corcoran, and why the grand jury has access to it. the grand jury, let s start with the second part first, alicia. the grand jury has access to evan corcoran s tapes and notes because of something called the crime fraud exception. normally, communications between an attorney and their lawyer are