advisors. here is just las wet week, a da after the midterms. will the vice president be your running mate in 2020? i have not asked him, but i hope so. where are you? will you? he stood up and raised his hand when asked. joining me now is michael dantonio. i believe the only man to have written a book about donald trump and mike pence. also joining us kirstin powers, this whole loyalty issue is interesting and the reason i think this new york times piece is getting so much focus is the idea of mike pence and loyalty, has there been anyone in this administration that has
menace. also join us, political analyst kerstin powers. this loyalty issue is interesting. and the reason i think this new york times piece is getting so much focus is because the idea of menace mike pence and loyalty, has there been anyone that has gone out of his way to just pour the praise on the president than mike pence? no, there hasn t. that s what makes it so ludicrous and it sounds paranoid, frankly, because this is not somebody you think the president would even think twice about whether or not he was loyal because i think you could say mike pence is probably loyal to a fault. there s nothing that the president does that he won t defend no matter how horrible it is. so this to me suggests the president is not in the greatest state of mind if he is, in fact, questioning right now whether his vice president is loyal to him. michael, you ve written about the president before. is loyalty a one-way street for
federal case is. if it is solid, they will lay out the evidence and say do you want to spend time in jail or not. it is your call. and we re redefining what loyalty is. we re redie redefining words, what it means to be a republican or democrat or patriotic and now what it is to be loyal. and t and the loyalty to president trump or his family. and he s under criminal investigation. can i but he is under criminal investigation but phil, he hasn t yet been charged with any crime. right. that is right. and to pick up on what you are talking about, that loyalty issue is significant. and that is why i think the president s initial phone call last week was important. he s not going to call somebody like michael cohen, that is the president, because he s loyal to him, i suspect one of the reasons he called him was to say, stick with the team. he will worried that that mr. cone will flip and he s worried about what he ll tell the feds
he is, i never believed the collusion thing against trump. there might be something to the cohen story if there are tapes in existence. there might be a can of worms we haven t seen yet that trump is starting to get quite nervous about. gillian: the loyalty issue. if there is somebody in the trump orbit so committed to the president that he s willing to shell out $130,000 in cash, the art of what s possible expands. howie: i always thought it was the legal implications. the new york times reported that edtold aide he wanted to can miller over reports of the deutsch bank. hard to separate this sometimes.
he is, i never believed the collusion thing against trump. there might be something to the cohen story if there are tapes in existence. there might be a can of worms we haven t seen yet that trump is starting to get quite nervous about. gillian: the loyalty issue. if there is somebody in the trump orbit so committed to the president that he s willing to shell out $130,000 in cash, the art of what s possible expands. howie: i always thought it was the legal implications. the new york times reported that edtold aide he wanted to can miller over reports of the deutsch bank. hard to separate this sometimes.