some of these people who have been deemed essential and national law enforcement, how they are going to be able to work there full-time job because they were official, but they are receiving pay, so they are going to paint houses on the weekends to cover rent? or whatever else. it doesn t really make a lot of sense, it is important to note that these letters that the government wrote in 2013 when we first started having government shutdowns, and the fact that this is now our third government shutdown is mind-boggling that this has become the new norm. it is something that creditors are aware of. they see it on the news. they are going to hopefully be charitable and forgiving during this time period. it they have received backpay from congress, and they have indicated that they will do that. they won t miss payments, they will just be delayed. i hope that every creditor takes that into account. ed: you talked about this a moment ago, some of the public polling. we mentioned democrat l
gutierrez, longtime congressman from illinois, as you know, said look, we should get something as democrats, in exchange for the border wall money, and then on top of that, the washington post editorial page, no fan of president trump, you and i both know that. they said let s end this by giving the democrats be 18 or something that they have long wanted in exchange for the presence $5 billion, so isn t there pressure now on the democrats? why won t the democrats come to the table and say okay, we want something. we will give you the wall. speak out a few things here. first, the republicans took control congress until january january 3rd. a lot of this is directed at leader pelosi and of the democrats the republicans still control the congress, and on until speaker pelosi moves in ed: i will let you finish your point, but nobody is working right now. we have already shown that. neither party. here is my real question.
they can work this out. it doesn t have to be oh wall, a big beautiful wall. just a barrier of some kind, of the fence. is working his best to get himself out of the corner that he has painted himself into. frankly, the democrats think that they have the upper hand. they are going to read this until the pressure causes one side or the other two buckle. we don t know how it will play out, but it will in the next couple of weeks. ed: it does seem like the democrats have the upper hand because they are waiting to take power in the house. i will just briefly summarize, not give you the whole thing, but basically, democrats should let him have funding for the wall in return for a permanent fix to the immigration status of the dreamers, people brought to this country as children. gutierrez went on, telling nbc news, give them some kind of ransom. let s move on. let s give a ransom. let s get something from him.