society? the costs are immense. i mean, first of all, you have the economic costs. this is tens of billions that we spend that are just thrown into a hole in the ground because people like to say this is a business. that part of the reason the prison industrial complex can sort of call the shots here is that it s such a look ravsh business. well, jobs do depend on it, and, yes, it is a business in the sense that i casino is a business, but it s not a business in the sense that it makes a product. it doesn t move the country forward. all we re doing is incarcerating poor people in this country and profiting from their incarceration, and having jobs rely on that. i think that s an immoral kind of business. i don t believe in that as a business. i would like to see all those people who work in that field have the same kind of job, but in a treatment compassion-based universe. all those prison guards that have been dealing for addicts for years who know how to keep them away from their a