i think democrats failure to act has confused the american public. they re not the ones that are supposed to understand how this works. digging into that, let s dissect that more for you, liz, 44% of independents say that they have oppose holding impeachment hearings. is this the key demographic here, the party sees a shift with independents on this. how is that going to move the needle or will it either way? i do think that independent number is something that democrats are watching closely because going into the elections, that really matters. not in the primaries, but the general election. and i think with some democrats arguing, if you have an impeachment hearing, you make the case to the public and that s how you move public opinion. it is not going to move on its own, people don t have time to read the entire mueller report. regular people, you know. and so i wonder if we re not going to see much movement in the absence of some kind of public impeachment trial. you conside
fairness of nancy pelosi saying independents aren t for it, where do you see that in terms of the push for impeachment? i agree with liz. i think the reason independents aren t for it, like she he said, people deposit read the mueller report. we know there are people in congress who didn t read the mueller report. it is incumbent upon those who know the law, who read the report, who are supposed to be leading this country, to move public opinion themselves by making a strong case for why this president shouldn t be in office. that s what they have failed to do and i think the polling numbers are reflecting that right now. with those numbers, laura, you can touch on this a little bit, when it comes to the trump re-election campaign, cutting ties with some of its own pollsters after you have that leaked internal polling, the president was trailing joe biden in 2020, critical battleground states, what do you think was behind the leak from the first place, knowing this was internal?
russia and intentionally keeping president trump in the dark. frances? we ll see how precedented this is when we talk about it. want to bring in liz goodewin and laura bassett. to that point, laura, how unprecedented is something like this, keeping this type of information from the presidentt absolutely stunning. it is unimaginable that this is supposed to be the commander in chief and he s actually seen as a liability to the country. his own intelligence officials don t trust him with this information, so they re going behind his back and stopping russian interference into our elections because they believe either he s going to either he s going to mess up the program deliberately or unintentionally. they don t trust the president of the united states. we have never seen this before. speaking volumes with that. what do you suppose this story came out? we heard that maybe the message being sent to russia, would that
people who don t necessarily like him, don t necessarily trust him. and so they re going to the media and saying, look, this is what is going on. i think trump has a tendency to not believe numbers he doesn t like, doesn t believe news reports he doesn t like and he saw numbers that didn t look good for him and said we re going to twist this for the public and obviously some honorable people in there who said, no, we re going to show people what really happened. do you think that will do it, liz, as far as, you know, putting a little piece of tape on the leaks and getting rid of some of these pollsters? how common is it to be having somebody internal like that leak information? what happened here? it sends a message, i would say, to the remaining pollsters that the president does not want leaks and there is consequences. but i think the larger problem is if your campaign team feels like you re not going to listen to them, if you come to the candidate and show, listen, we have a pro