rick, that didn t drop until 2007. we didn t have camera phones in 2001, buddy? yes, we did. yes, there were camera phones in 2000 not video camera phones. yes, there were. yet donald trump says he saw it on television. i m sorry, i know he s an old man who is getting a little dottie, but there is not a guy who saw it on television. there is no record of it. everybody katrina, i ll give it to you last. mckay. i guess my question could be, so katrina, you re saying that he claims he didn t that he just exaggerated, a classic example of trump being a hyperbole. do you believe he actually saw this or is he pandering to a segment of the republican party that wants to believe this and he s had a lot of success and rallying those people? no, no. katrina, quickly, please. i don t believe that at all. i think he actually saw it. there are a lot of people who haven t come out publicly.