it has become the conventional wisdom overnight that labour will win the next election. the polling suggests there s been a greater swing in recent days and weeks than there was during the last worst financial crisis to hit a conservative government black wednesday back in 1992. and that ll mean there will pretty soon be much greater scrutiny of what labour will do. faced with the same economic fundamentals high taxes, high borrowing, high inflation and low growth. if labour does indeed win an election, lisa nandy will be the cabinet minister with the job of delivering for what s become known as the red wall. northern industrial towns like wigan in lancashire, which she represents and which she says has changed her politics. a politics learnt at the knee of her grandfather, who was a liberal mp and a father who was, who is a famous marxist academic. political thinking is a conversation with, not an interrogation of someone who shapes our political thinking. and today we r
political thinking is a conversation with, not an interrogation of someone who shapes our political thinking. and today we re recording just down the road from wigan, next door to the great city of manchester in the city of salford. lisa nandy welcome to political thinking. hello. how does it feel being a political spectator in effect at this extraordinary time of political crisis? i mean, i probably shouldn t say this. it s not good to start a podcast, is it, by saying, i shouldn t say this, but, you know, in some ways it s sort of quite a relief for it not to be labour at the centre of all the drama. we ve had huge amounts of political upheaval on our own side and you know, us being the party that isn t going through that, that is unified, is and looking out to the country is a good place to be. but when you park the politics, which of course, we ll get to in a second, do you also watch open mouthed and think, my goodness, how is this happening? a bit, actually. yeah. so we ve got us