they took ring and all clippings to see if there s anybody else with dna and that has not been released, neither has information about whose dna is on the ligature. a fox news contributor was hired by his brother mark to observe the autopsy. he s helped in several high-profile cases including the kennedy of fascination and the simpson trial and the chief medical examiner of new york city. other pathologists are skeptic skeptical. high-profile investigation that is politically charged, different engenders, we need to take it a step at a time. there s millions of dollars potentially at stake if epstein s lawyers can make the case, he died homicide. they get to the federal government for the death of the client and they can also collect on life insurance policies that are there. i m not aware of any life insurance policy that does not contain expect on train
to the hyoid bone that you see in the middle that has a fracture on the left horn, that the horseshoe bone with the horn in the back, and there is beneath it the adam s apple, thyroid cartilage and there are two fractures in that bone. that s an awful lot of force that does not happen in hanging suicidal hanging cases but can happen with forceful compression of the neck in manual strangulation or ligaature strangulation which is what looks like the autopsy showed looked like happened here because of the deep mark that the ligature had, it wasn t just from hanging for that reason the medical examiner on sunday put down the cause of death as
so, we don t have that. and apparently they can t find that. there are no cameras that were working that night. the guards were all asleep. it seems like a perfect storm of a lot of stuff missing. well, it does seem like a series of unusual events when you are talking about a highly secure federal prisoner, a very high profile prisoner and you are talking about a suspicious death. the other thing dr. baden said that was very significant to me the guard before he stopped talking and give any further statements, the guard said he found epstein leaning forward on his knees as if he had strangled with the ligature. which you can. you can put enough pressure on the carotid artery to strangle that really does not explain the broken bones which you would have expected to have to happen from a force or a drop of some distance or from manual pressure applied from
steve: shortly after that interview never before seen autopsy photos surfaced of the three broken bones as you can see right there. joining us is former federal prosecutor francey hicks joins us from l.a. francey, good morning to you. good morning, steve. steve: it was quite an eye-opener, what did you learn yesterday from dr. baden. you know, steve, it was quite an eye opener. a couple things are terrible when it comes to trying to investigate suspicious deaths and one is there were no photos. we heard from dr. baden yesterday that when the guard found epstein s body he cut him loose from the ligature that was tied around his neck. and then pulled him away from it. and we also learned that that ligature was apparently not seized or at least not tested for d.n.a. by the medical examiner. and so, who might have handled that ligature, we ll never know. steve: exactly. dr. baden was saying we would like to examine it. we would like to know whose d.n.a. is on it.
now, on the basis that this is a homicide. maybe more. because we don t have we don t have the results of the d.n.a. swabs. the ligature around the neck which would have the d.n.a. of anybody who put fingers on that and made the ligature. that should have been available within a few days. it s not clear where the ligature is, where the city kept is, whether the f.b.i. kept it, whether it was thrown out in the trash or whether it s being held to be examined in the future. sean: i can tell you that i spoke to an attorney who spoke with him and just two days prior who confirmed that he was looking forward to quote proving his innocence and i can also confirm we also know that he had been assaulted in prison. don t we? 18 days earlier. july 13th july 23rd.