they wanted to have more people be there to make more money faster and faster and faster. they did not adhere to standard operating procedures which are outlined in the life saving manual here in the country and the american red cross. they did not adhere to those..% that s gross negligence. no, quote-unquote, death waiver gets you out of that. martha: we want to thank elliot wooded for joining us by skype. thank you, and, lis, we ll be following this case. the story s in outside magazine. elliot and li s, thanks. will: these are more and more popular. jon scott waiting in the wings for the handoff. what s up, bud? jon: we ll take it at the top of the hour, bill. we are honoring the memory of nelson handel la today. the south african hero dead at the age of 95. we ll talk with a journalist who covered his rise from jail to the presidency. plus, wicked weather settles in over a huge chunk of the country, and we ll also take a look at msnbc s coverage of