what about the other 38%. over half of them have natural immunity. that is why we re seeing herd immunity right now. emily: dr. makary what do you see as the biggest challenge to the american public understanding to stop living in fear? what is holding them back from actually grasping the true reality of the situation? well, emily, i m down in texas this weekend. we went to a barbecue restaurant with a bunch friends. folks works there, cooking, wearing masks outdoor. look at cdc guidance. they re doing what the cdc is telling them. we have to remove restrictions aggressively as we put into place to protect the credibility of public health. summer camp, they have to be six feet apart, outdoors with masks? this is the absurdity of the actually guidance. when they bunk together, three feet. lie inverse, head to toe, toe to head.